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Episode 116 – OotP 38: McGonagall’s Beyonce Moment

In this week’s episode, we conclude Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! Join hosts Michael, Alison, and Caleb as they part with the largest Potter book as Harry continues to face the loss of Sirius by discussing Chapter 38 of Order of the Phoenix!

On Episode 116 we discuss…

→ Episode 115 recap: An underwhelming Prophecy; Voldemort vs. Macbeth; Snape’s motivations; Dumbledore and his redemption; Planned all along?
→ PQOTW Responses
→ The Centaurs & Umbridge
→ Hating Malfoy & Snape
→ Sirius’s two-way mirror
→ Luna’s foresight
→ Missing pieces at the end?
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  • The Half Blood Princess

    Harry’s timing for finding out that Snape told Voldemort the prophecy is very convenient. Just after he finds out, Snape kills Dumbledore, and this completely overshadows everything else that Snape did, including the prophecy. This means Harry never confronts Snape about the prophecy. I think Dumbledore knew that if Harry found out about Snape’s part in the prophecy, he would confront him about it, and is trying to prevent this. When Harry does find out, Dumbledore takes all his anger about it. Or at least tries to. Otherwise, he probably wouldn’t have indulged Harry’s anger so much. And of course, from a narrative standpoint, JK probably thinks that if Harry did confront Snape about the prophecy, Snape would give something away.

    • AccioPotassium!

      If Dumbledore would have told Harry about the Half-blood Prince’s involvement in the prophecy, I believe Harry would have sought revenge against the Potion Master. Dumbledore obviously doesn’t want Harry to go down this dark path with the Dark Lord coming into greater power, especially after his death of his godfather. The Chosen One being a Gryffindor would surely act upon this hidden news, just as Harry acted in the third novel. I feel the main reason why Dumbledore does not tell Harry in the proceeding book is because Dumbledore knows he is going to die soon. If Dumbledore would have told Harry about Snape’s involvement in the prophecy, Harry would likely lose all contact with Professor Snape after Dumbledore’s death. Without Harry receiving the Potion Master’s memories, Harry would have never known he must sacrifice himself to destroy all of the horcruxes. Thus, the grand plan would surely fail.

  • skgai

    Rereading this chapter I was frustrated as to why it was titled “The Second War Begins.” But hearing the host’s complaints about this ending chapter changed my mind.

    “Order of the Phoenix” is about demolishing Harry’s foundations. Dementors destroy his idea of safety in the beginning. Umbridge destroys his home. Dumbledore destroys their relationship and therefore his key to all answers. Voldemort destroys his dreams. And Sirius’ death destroys Harry’s illogical conception that Sirius and all the ones he loves will always be there with him.

    The reason for this chapter’s title is that this is the moment in the series where Rowling starts to make Harry whole again (and in the process wiser and understanding). That is the Second War: making Harry whole. So you should feel unsatisfied at the end of this book. Harry has been partioned and shattered.

    It’s sadly beautiful when Harry finally is given the ultimate answer from Nick. Luna then begins the process of instilling hope and understanding back into Harry. The lighter/funnier moments right at the end are merely whisps of hope that this story has a chance to end well. I feel this chapter reads beautifully and fully encomposes the entire scope of this book.

    • MartinMiggs

      But hasn’t Harry already learned his loved ones won’t be there for him? I mean he lost his parents right in the beginning

      • skgai

        No he hasn’t. After quite a struggle he finally accepted his parent’s deaths yet he maintained an irrational belief in the idea that his protector’s would always be there.

        When I was a kid my grandparents had died and I cerainly understood what that meant, but I never once felt or believed it was even possible for parents to die. I never bothered to reconciled that paradox, I just accepted it immediately. I feel the text shows Harry feeling the same way here.

    • Waffles

      I think there’s definitely something to this. After all, at the beginning of HPB, Harry is not angsty and angry and all of that, even though considering the year he’s had, you’d think he would be. No, he’s more in a state of…acceptance, I suppose. OotP broke Harry and then began the process of putting him back together, to paraphrase what you wrote. Reminds me of that Hemingway quote:

      “The world breaks everyone and then afterward many are strong in the broken places.”

      Describes Harry perfectly here, I think.

  • Guest

    Nearly Headless Nick has met Sirius when Sirius was at Hogwarts

    • RoseLumos

      Sooooo true!!!!! I bet Sirius ran into him a lot as he explored the castle late at night.

      • Casey L.

        And don’t forget, as the Gryffindor house ghost, Nick would have encountered fellow Gryffindor Sirius quite often.

    • Snatch The Snitch

      Exactly what I was thinking during the episode. It’s also possible that Dumbledore gave some of the ghosts the heads up; he was probably expecting Harry to ask them about Sirius and death.

      • RoseLumos

        I also wouldn’t be surprised if Dumbledore mentioned something to the professors and the ghosts overheard. Working in a boarding school we have regular meetings about the students and if something big happened our manager would let everyone know so they could either help the student or to be careful when talking to them.

        • Snatch The Snitch

          Yeah thats actually more than likely the answer. But which Professors would he tell? McGonagal and Snape? Even if Flitwick and Sprout were in the Order idk how much Dumbledore would say about this even to them

          • RoseLumos

            It may have just been a general announcement in the teachers lounge that Harry had a person who was close to him die and that he needs time to process it.

    • AccioPotassium!

      There still a problem with Sir Nicholas knowing this amount of personal information. The Gryffindor ghost would surely have met Sirius Black in the past, but it doesn’t seem likely Sir Nicholas would have known Sirius to such a deep personal level. Nor is it likely the ghost would have known Sirius was Harry’s godfather, when hardly anybody knows of this secret information.

  • The Half Blood Princess

    In defense of Cho, let’s not forget that Harry is pretty forgiving of his friends. I am talking, of course, about how he immediately forgave Ron walking out, no questions asked. Of course, Ron saved Harry’s life. But we have no idea what Marrieta and Cho’s friendship is like, or how close they are. And if Cho dumped Marietta for Harry, we probably would be angrier, as she’d be putting a guy before a friend.

    • HPAlison

      Agreed.

      I was also comparing this to how Sirius was forgiven by James and Remus for telling Snape how to get into the Shrieking Shack and tricking him into discovering a werewolf. That seems like a much more serious wrong than what Marietta did. The consequences to the DA could have been pretty bad but I think what could have happened if James hadn’t stopped Snape would have been much worse. Not only might Snape have been killed or turned into a werewolf, but Lupin would have had to live with the horror of destroying someone else’s life. That, to me, is what Lupin fears when he sees the full moon boggart. It was an incredible betrayal of trust.

      I’ve always wondered why both why Sirius did it and why Lupin forgave him. Interestingly, Sirius doesn’t display any remorse when it’s mention in PoA and Lupin speaks of it as an unfunny practical joke. My head canon is that somehow it never occurred to Sirius that Snape might actually be hurt or killed. Stereotypical teenage recklessness that Sirius never grew out of. I assume Lupin forgave him mostly because he couldn’t bare the thought of losing friends but also because he understood that Sirius was really, really stupid, not murderous.

    • MartinMiggs

      Does Marietta ever feel sorry or guilty for ratting them out? At least Ron realizes his mistake.

    • I totally agree, plus Cho seems very connected to her friends. And the friends-before-boyfriends part is one of the only (in my opinion) redeeming features of her.

  • RoseLumos

    When it comes to Umbridge and the centaurs – the way I always looked as it was as a mirror situation to the very beginning of the book when Harry and Dudley were attacked by the dementors. Dudley also came out of the attack barely talking and looking quite traumatized. We know that Dudley was in that state because he saw himself as he truly was – spoiled and privileged. I wonder, if even for a second, Umbridge was also troubled by what she saw – that these beings whom she had always seems as primitive and as non-human like are really an intelligent and civilized people. If she was dragged away to the centaur village as some people speculate she might have seen the centaurs as they really are and have realized that she was wrong. Of course, we see that she didn’t learn her lesson later in Deathly Hallows but I wonder as she was sitting in the hospital wing she was questioning everything she knew about herself. Either way, I think the hosts are right – JKR would never joke or make lighthearted comments about sexual assault.

    • The Half Blood Princess

      I didn’t think of that, but that was a way better example.

    • MartinMiggs

      And to add to that point since Umbridge is described as unscathed I don’t believe Jo would suggest someone who had been raped is unscathed.

    • Bella Chadwell

      I don’t believe that Umbridge could have been troubled to see that they were intelligent or civilised because, from what we’ve seen of her, she is willing to believe whatever the person with whom she aligns herself believes, and she will cling to that belief with her stubby little fingers in an iron grip. I think, from the evidence we received from the information on Pottermore, that Umbridge’s horrified state stems more from her intense dislike of any sort of “half-breed.” In this way, she is like Voldemort. She herself is not a pureblood witch, but she does claim to be so and propagates the idea that anyone less than pureblood is a lesser being and is, therefore, less worthy of decent treatment or equal standing. She tells the centaurs that they are allowed to live in “our” forest because the ministry allows it. I think that, possibly, the way they kidnapped her and mishandled her (not that she didn’t deserve it) could very much have scarred her in the same way a sexual assault might damage a person. She felt assaulted because she felt like she had been taken advantage of by these creatures that she deemed to be below her. She felt dirtied or soiled, which could be Jo’s way of alluding to the mythology of centaurs without bringing such a heavy topic into children’s literature. It wasn’t as though she was actually harmed or actually violated, but she received what she had coming in a big, karmic way. And since she was not actually harmed, it’s easy to make light of an evil toad who received her just dessert.

  • The Half Blood Princess

    I know there’s probably a better time to make this point, but regarding Harry naming his son after Snape, Albus Severus’s namesakes are Dumbledore and Snape, both of whom get redeemed. While there redemption is definitely up for debate, they’re pretty much the best, and only, examples of redemption we get in the series. Except Regulus but Harry never met face to face with him. If there’s someone else I’m forgetting, by all means point that out.

    • RoseLumos

      I think that makes the difference between Harry and Voldemort. Harry gives Voldemort a chance for redemption but he doesn’t even consider it.

    • Elvis Gaunt

      Dudley and Draco?

  • RoseLumos

    Why does it take two/three days for the Ministry to announce that Voldemort is back?!? You would think they would get that news out ASAP but I can see how they still really don’t want to admit that they were wrong.

    • The Half Blood Princess

      Well, to be fair, the trio may not be reading this exactly when it came out. I can definitely see Fudge dragging his feet though. He was never one to trouble himself on little things like long terms consequences.

      • RoseLumos

        Well I read a few chapters back and found that the History of Magic exam they took before leaving for the Ministry was on a Thursday and they are reading the Sunday Prophet. The narration did say it had been three days since Sirius died so it looks like the article did come out the days after the battle (although it looks like Sirius died and Voldemort appeared Friday morning). Even though it looks like this article is breaking the news you would think one of the dozens of people who first appeared in the Ministry would have spread the news faster.

  • MartinMiggs

    Sirius’ name was cleared and there never was a funeral as is mentioned in HBP. It wouldn’t even matter if he was still thought of as a criminal or there wasn’t enough time because of the war. Criminals get funerals too and soldiers are also laid to rest even during a war

    • Waffles

      There’s a passing comment in HBP during Dumbledore’s funeral about Sirius not getting a funeral because there was no body, which seemed more like a cop-out than anything to me, as you don’t need a body to hold some sort of memorial service…

  • Waffles

    Per the discussion about the ending being unsatisfying, I actually would argue that it is meant to unsatisfying. Harry is in a bad, bad place. Worse than at the end of GoF, as he’s watched his godfather die and now knows about a prophecy that is just going to hang over his head and that he does not know what to do about. I think JKR intentionally made this ending untidy as might be more realistic. No way to put a shiny bow on this situation, so maybe she just didn’t even try.

    Also, much as I wish it would have happened, I would posit that it would be entirely out of character for Lupin to try to reach out to Harry in this scene at Kings Cross. We know he distances himself (emotionally and otherwise) from people because of his own insecurities, and we also know, per Pottermore, that he is going through a great deal of internal agony over what to do about the Tonks situation and is probably distracted.

    • skgai

      Great point on Lupin. I still don’t understand why Harry doesn’t ever reach out to Lupin, but you make an accurate point that Lupin here wouls not reach out to Harry.

  • Waffles

    The discussion on the title of the book being a MacGuffin made me wonder whether the title was initially meant to refer to the Order as we know it. If you read that incredibly detailed plot diagram that JKR released that she made while she was writing this book, it appears that the Order was initally called Dumbledore’s Army and vise versa. So maybe “HP and the Order of the Phoenix” was supposed to mean “HP and that-student-group-Harry-formed” (which would make more sense considering the plot) and when she decided to switch the groups’ names, she (and her publishers) just decided that well, “and the Order of the Phoenix” flows better than “and Dumbledore’s Army” and it sort of fits the book, so let’s just leave it.

    • skgai

      There’s no getting around it, JKR did not title these books well. David Heyman nearly didnt read Philosopher’s Stone because he thought the title was stupid. And this is odd because JKR titled her chapters beautifully.

      • RoseLumos

        I’m ok with all of the titles except the Goblet of Fire. I get that it is the big decision maker that puts Harry into the tournament but after that it is never seen again. At first I had a problem with the Deathly Hallows because is the scope of the book they aren’t that prominent but after a few rereads I get it. Personally my favorite chapter in the whole series is “The Forest Again” when Harry gets out of Snape’s memories and slowly walks to his death in the forest. I love how he brings back James, Lily, Sirius, and Remus and that can only be done with the Hallows.

        • Waffles

          I agree about GoF. I also find the title of “Half-Blood Prince” to be a bit beside the point.

          As far as chapters go, I agree about “The Forest Again,” and I also love “The Prince’s Tale” in DH and “The Parting of the Ways” in GoF,

  • MartinMiggs

    If Voldemort heard the prophecy and learned Harry had a power “the dark lord knows not” how do you think he would react? I doubt he would realize it would be love but would think Harry had some powerful magic of some sort. Maybe he would attempt to avoid confrontation with Harry. Would he avoid inviting Harry to the forest to face his fate if he had heard this information?

    • skgai

      I’ve always thought this too. If Voldemort heard the whole prophecy he would still react the same. “Someone out there has power I don’t understand and this person can defeat me with this power? Well then I must kill him now while he’s a baby.” Marking him as his equal might give him pause, yet I still think he would do the same thing.

    • Hufflepug

      It would be strange because even though Voldemort would know Harry was dangerous to him, I bet he would still have too much pride to not try to kill Harry.

  • ISeeThestrals

    We were forewarned that Sirius would die before we got our hands on Order of the Phoenix. I think from interviews with Rowling before the book was released, there was a statement about a ‘fan’ of Harry’s dying. I think I thought it to mean Collin Creevey. No way did I think it was Sirius. And from then on, we received the heads up about someone dying in the next book and I’ve wondered, why even tell us someone is going to die? To prepare us? Without mention of upcoming deaths, it seems it would be more of a shock as opposed to readers trying to predict who will die as they read. I feel like it’s the slightest spoiler Rowling gave us for the rest of the books even if we didn’t know who would die. Though in Deathly Hallows, I imagine we all knew many would die anyway.

    • RoseLumos

      It was probably set up by the publishers to get people to buy the books. If you know someone is going to die you would want to buy the book as soon as it came out to find out who it is. It’s like when you see a commercial for a tv show. A lot of dramas will have some voice over saying how the next episode will be “the most shocking of the year” or “you wouldn’t guess what happens next.” Even if you don’t normally watch the show new you really want to just to see what is so exciting and shocking.

      • ISeeThestrals

        Good point RoseLumos. Either way, I’d still pick up the book, but I can see how sharing that info with the public can get more people to invest their time with the series. I think I had forgotten someone would die in Order near the time it was going to happen, so I was nicely shocked. Personally I try not to buy into those marketing tactics.

        • RoseLumos

          I remember on my first read through I was waiting for someone to die. Then in the first few chapters Harry sees Mrs. Weasley’s Boggart and thinks Ron is dead. I remember running through my house shouting, “Ron is dead! Ron is dead!” Then I read the next line and thought Bill was also dead, then Mr. Weasley, and so on until Harry’s body turned up. It was then that I actually reread the scene carefully and realized that no, no one was actually dead. Yet.

  • AccioPotassium!

    In this week’s podcast, the hosts were discussing the possibility of the marauders double mirrors working in Sirius Black’s afterlife. The hosts concluded that this mirror communication would have not been possible, but I’m not entirely convinced on this issue. We do know of an item which could communicate with the dead. The resurrection stone has the power to complete this death defying telephone call. Of course, the resurrection stone is quite different in comparison to the mirrors, but this stone is physically able to interact with the afterlife, thus giving the possibility that this kind of device could actually work. The question which becomes apparent, would the detention mirrors have enough magical power to overcome the two dimensions? It seems unlikely the mirrors would have this kind of power, but regardless, the principle that someone could interact with the afterlife keeps this long distance call possible. We also know that magical folk have the power to comeback as ghosts, and if they decide to return, they get to keep their personal clothing or anything else they had on them when they died. If the afterlife is similar to what we see with ghosts, then the mirror would also be taken with Sirius to the next world. This would have allowed Sirius Black to at least attempt in communicating with his different realm grandson. So, I’m not completely convinced that one of Harry’s last efforts in finding his godfather is impossible, but I would concede that it’s unlikely given the known information.

  • AccioPotassium!

    In this chapter, Harry stumbles upon Luna Lovegood during his last failed attempt in recovering his lost godfather. Luna Lovegood was found to be placing flyers of a list of lost items, which were apparently taken from her during the school year. I wonder who actually committed this strange crime against Miss Lovegood. Could it be a jealous Ravenclaw committing this act because of her high exam scores despite Luna’s illogical tendencies? Could it be some random gang of bullies throughout Hogwarts taking part in this stealing of her property? Could it be the troublesome poltergeist of Hogwarts? Or could it be Luna Lovegood, who accidently lost her own possessions during her many sleepwalking nights?

    • Hufflepug

      I’ve always imagined that Luna’s bullies did it to her. It’s nice to see her unfazed by their actions, concluding that lost things always turn up again. It shows Luna’s optimism really nicely.

  • I enjoyed all the Luna love…it was good. (Sorry I couldn’t help myself.) You guys mentioned a few classic Luna moments & I wanted to add my favorite. It’s actually in DH on page 649 of the US edition. The whole scene gets me every single time I read it! Her encouragement in this moment is absolutely beautiful.

  • DisKid

    I remember after the 5th book there were a lot of theories as to who would end up together as a couple. One that I put forth was the possibility of Harry and Luna. At the time, I justified this theory by saying that after Luna left, the book said that Harry felt something in his stomach that could imply he was starting to have feelings for Luna. Some people agreed and some people were so against it that you would think I was suggesting Draco/Hermione with how much they hated it. After the whole series read and rereading the book, I don’t agree with this any longer. I think the feeling he had in his stomach had to do with Sirius, but did anyone else have this idea after reading this chapter? I’d be curious to know!

    • Snatch The Snitch

      Aside from the feeling, I thought Luna and Harry could work and would be good. They do have quite a bit in common and bring out the best in each other.

      • DisKid

        Yeah I wouldn’t have put up a fuss if Harry and Luna had gotten together. Though I do think Luna is better off paired with Newt Scamander’s grandson.

    • RoseLumos

      I remember hearing some rumor that Harry was going to be with someone we would never expect. I don’t know how that started because clearly the Ginny shippers were a strong group. Either way I remember reading a really long but very good fan fiction where Harry starts dating Katie Bell and as odd as it sounded it worked in the fan fiction. I will admit that I was a Harry/Hermione shipper but as soon as HBP came out I saw how well the Harry/Ginny relationship worked out and I really liked it. Honestly I never imagined Harry and Luna together, although they do make a cute couple at Slughorn’s party.

      • SlytherinKnight

        Honestly, until I started reading fan fiction, I didn’t really care about the pairings aside from that they just jumped out of the epilogue and slapped me in the face. The main issue I’ve always had with both main pairings in Harry Potter is that there is so little ‘romantic’ interaction between them, or what I consider romantic interact, at its core, Harry Potter is all about friendship and love in general, I think by HBP, JK saw the popularity of the teen romance books rising so rapidly that she (or her publishers) just threw in the romance in HBP to pacify those ‘romance’ fans. Sure Ron and Hermione are best friends that end up together, and Harry and Ginny have these little scenes, hinting at each other. (If JK had expanded on the Christmas at Grimmuald Place scene with Ginny pointing out that she had been possessed by Riddle, and having Ginny come out and support Harry during Goblet of Fire, it would have made swallowing that relationship so much easier), Ron and Hermione are the quintessential ‘opposites attract’ relationship, they are at the far end of the spectrum from each other and I don’t think Ron really deserved Hermione with the way he treated her (and to an extent Harry) throughout the series, he obviously changed during the time skip but we don’t see that, so it leaves us with questions.

        • DisKid

          I remember JK Rowling saying that Harry is always so busy throughout all his years at Hogwarts that he doesn’t have anywhere near as much romantic experience as his schoolmates have had. (She actually used a different word, but I don’t know how old some of these users are so I’ll keep it at “romantic”) I think the same can be said for Ron and Hermione since they’re just as busy as Harry is. I don’t necessarily think it was thrown in there, I think JK Rowling had planned for romances to develop in the 5th/6th years since that’s about average age but with how busy these characters are they can’t have as much as a typical teen would have. There’s just no denying it would happen, it’s part of being a teen. I think she also intended it to be awkward as she always saw this main trio as geeky looking, so she probably didn’t want them to have any hot teen romance you read about. Not enough time in their lives and she wanted more awkwardness.

        • Snatch The Snitch

          Definitely agree Ron doesn’t deserve Hermione. I’ve been saying that since the first time I finished DH

  • Snatch The Snitch

    Looking back on this book and I guess the series as a whole, I don’t feel like Umbridge got what she deserved (in the books). I was left unsatisfied. I’m glad she ends up in Azkaban for life but I would’ve liked to experience something more as a reader. Her death maybe? Honestly, there was a point when I wanted her to die more than Voldemort. Getting taken away bye centaurs and traumatized just wasn’t enough. Especially since we see her in Deathly Hallows back to her wicked ways. Anyone else think she should’ve joined the Headless Hunt?

    • SlytherinKnight

      I don’t know about the Headless Hunt but I do agree that Umbridge’s fate left me wanting more. While Voldemort is the mad psychopath, the main villain of the series, Umbridge is arguably the most ‘evil’ character in the series. She is the face of all the bigotry, hatred and discrimination that made up the Dark side in the Harry Potter. Obviously Azkaban is pretty much described to be a hell on Earth, and perhaps death is too quick of a punishment for someone as twisted and evil as Umbridge but we do know that she would never be ‘redeemed’ and that she deserves all that she would get in regards as punishment. Question: are the Dementors even guarding Azkaban anymore? I can’t remember if they are after the series ended.

      • UmbridgeRage

        No. Kingsley made sure that Dementors couldn’t be used for that purpose again.

  • Silverdoe25

    I don’t really agree that Dumbledore was regularly referring to the prophecy as a weapon. It’s Sirius who initially uses that term with Harry way back at Grimmauld Place, mostly because he’s having trouble talking about the prophecy without actually mentioning it. He tells Harry Voldemort is after “stuff he can only get by stealth”. When Harry looks puzzled, Sirius says, “Like a weapon. Something he didn’t have last time.” It’s the trio and the twins who later fuel this into some sort of actual physical weapon in their discussion. Dumbledore refers to the prophecy as a weapon in Chapter 37, but the reference seems only to connect the dots for us in the end.

    Also, thanks for the funny visual: Death’s Makeup Mirror. Does Death have an eBay store with a variety of Hallow-ready items up for bid? LOL!

  • JILLIAN MURPHY

    I do not think that the prophecy is a weapon at all, if it was a weapon it would be able to cause destruction, a prophecy can not cause destruction to anything physically. I don’t think that Dumbledore was the first person to call the prophecy a so called “weapon” I remember Sirius saying something about a “weapon” when they were at Grimmwald Place but Fred and George thought it was a physical weapon such as a sword or something along those lines.

    I half think that after Snape dies and Harry sees his memories that include his mum, Harry feels sorry for Snape and starts to care about him so he gets his portrait hung in the headmasters office and also when he gets married remembers how much his mum cared for him so he decides to named his child after him.

    If Sirius had the mirror on him I think that it would not have been able to work since he had died. But lets think for a minute it did work, how would it be able to? Would Sirius be the only on to use it or would James and Lily be able to use it as well? There are so many questions that I have but those two are the two I was thinking the most about during that discussion.

    When JKR talks about ghosts on Pottermore, what does she mean by “unfinished business”? Does she mean that they haven’t done something that they wanted to do before they died? Or maybe they did something that they regret doing and they want to try and find the person who they hurt or did something to and make it up to them?

    Luna is a little of both to me. She is wise but I think that at some points in time she does just speak whatever comes into her mind. She does seemingly have a point or a purpose to almost everything that shes says, at least to Harry in my mind, Although to some people she seems, as her nickname states, kind of Loony, I think she actually does know what shes talking about.

    The ending of the book disappointed me quite a bit. I did think that we were going to get a little more of a “moment” between Lupin and Harry. Or even someone saying something to Harry about how sorry they are about his godfather or how he should think about the fact that Sirius is with Harry’s parents now, and that they’re all back together now.

  • I remember really liking the end of this book. I do agree that it DEFINITELY lacked some Lupin moments, but I think the last chapter was very good as it covered a broad amount of information/emotions/etc in a blur, so it seemed a bit rushed but matched the pace of the last few fighting chapters.

  • On the centaur question: i was very young when I read this book the first time, so it didn’t even occur to me, but as people started mentioning the theory to me, I simply assumed that it would have happened if Dumbledore did not step in so quickly. However, now you guys have made me focus on Jo’s way of portraying that occurrence, and I agree that Jo would’ve never portrayed rape as a laughable punishment.

  • justlikehermione

    Regarding ghosts and Nearly Headless Nick not knowing Sirius: How do we know he didn’t know Sirius and James when they were students? Maybe he knew Sirius from his student days and knew from that experience that Sirius would not want to come back as a ghost. I agree that Nick seemed to know a lot about Sirius all of the sudden, but maybe it wasn’t all of the sudden, maybe he did know Sirius. Maybe he even knew Sirius better than Harry did?