Episode 188: DH, 37 – Four Years Later

Just like the Harry Potter novels, Alohomora! as we know it was bound to end at some point – and that time has arrived. Our discussion of the Deathly Hallows Epilogue, “Nineteen Years Later”, marks the end of a four year journey. Join hosts Michael, Kat, Alison, Caleb, and Rosie, along with original editor and past host Laura Reilly, as they jump into the future and turn the page to the very last page of Harry’s journey.

On Episode 188 we discuss…

→ Episode 187 Recap: Voldemort’s cruel intention; Diluted Blood Protection; All about the Elder Wand
→ PQOTW Responses
→ Give these kids a baby name book!
→ Was Harry qualified to join the Auror Department when he did?
→ Breaking down Hermione & Ron’s relationship: Stronger than ever!
→ Catching up With The Malfoys & Longbottoms
→ The “ships” that never were – but should’ve been
Charlie Weasley, the new poster child
→ Looking “forward” to Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
→ Question of the Week
→ Check out the Alohomora! store

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  • The Half Blood Princess

    I love how Rita Skeeter wrote a book called Severus Snape, Saint or Scoundrel. It’s like, the fandom’s opinion of Snape, the book.

    • ISeeThestrals

      The great Snape debate continues in the Wizarding world.

    • Elizabeth krafnick

      The fandom may forever be divided but I have never once doubted Snape since he was first introduced in Sorceror’s Stone. I will be his character’s champion, Always.

      • Wokanshutaiduo

        Snape fans unite! Again!

      • Wokanshutaiduo

        I never doubted him in the sense that I knew immediately that he was a red herring. But I didn’t pick up on his importance and fall in love with him until Prisoner…

        • Elizabeth krafnick

          OK, you caught me in a misspeak. It was POA. When I felt his rage at Sirius escaping I caught my breath and knew I had finally out of every book I had ever read found a character who had touched the core of my being. I knew him. I got him. I walked his journey and I was truly his champion. At the beginning I suspected there was something there…but then. I belong to a group called the Hogwarts Running Club on Facebook which occassionally talks about running/walking but mostly debates HP and there are many heated debates about Snape. It is nice to be able to go in depth into discussing the nuances about his choices and the choices based against the backdrop of his circumstances. I especially liked the fact that I found people who agreed with my comment that Dumbledore exploited the vulnerabilities and grief of a 21 year old “boy” to his own ends, knowing that he was going to put him consistently in harm’s way. Ah, well. The ends justify the means after all. We joked about how we were breaking taboo! Anyway, I have enjoyed discussing things with you. Please feel free to continue!

  • DisKid

    I think another hint that Albus Severus is in Slytherin is right in his name! His initials are A.S.P. Asp is a name for a venomous snake on the Nile region. If there’s one thing JK Rowling rarely does coincidences with, it’s names. I think she gave us the hint that he’s in Slytherin with his name. I’m sure that will be confirmed or denied within time, but I say, if he is in Slytherin, those initials are no coincidence.

    • ISeeThestrals

      Interesting. But I think either way, one of Harry’s kids would have to be in Slytherin as a way to give a point of view of someone who isn’t the stereotypical Slytherin git. If it really doesn’t matter that he’s in Slytherin house than he has to be in that house.

      • Wokanshutaiduo

        So much this. I NEED Albus to be a Slytherin, and willingly so.

    • Caleb

      Oooh, clever catch!

  • ISeeThestrals

    Very touching and emotional opening. I almost teared up there before I’ve even listened to the episode. Where is that passage from?

    • Kat

      It was a wonderful surprise for the rest of us as well! Michael kept that a secret ☺️

    • Michael Harle

      Wow, thank you! I figured since I read the excerpt from “More Fruits of Solitude” for the opening of Hallows, the “Libation Bearers” excerpt was only fitting for this one. I’m glad you enjoyed it.

  • ISeeThestrals

    Funny, I never noticed until this re-read that the epilogue is 7 pages. Another emphasis on the importance of the most magical number in the series 🙂

  • ISeeThestrals

    When you mentioned the muggles noticing things were sunnier with fewer dementors around, I couldn’t help think of the Brady Bunch song “Sunshine Day” 😀

  • SocksAreImportant

    I’ve always really liked the epilogue. I loved seeing the banter between Ron and Hermione as a married couple and seeing Harry talking with his kids. The naming of the kids gets kind of confusing the first time you read it, but I think it works out well in the end. I love the conversation Harry has with Albus Severus and Ron’s amazingly funny line of “don’t let it worry you, it’s me, I’m extremely famous”. All in all I thought it was a great way to end the series.

  • DoraNympha

    I haven’t found the time to catch up on the last 4 episodes that I’ve missed but I just wanted to congratulare you all at Alohomora for reaching the end!!!

    • Caleb

      Thank you! And thanks for sticking around all this time!

  • Lisa

    I’ve been part of the fandom for a long time and in some communities, the Epilogue is by far the most hated “chapter” of them all. Some people found it way too sugary, badly written, others were disappointed at the fact that nothing of particular importance was revealed. In the show, you mixed interview information with book info which is fine but that sort of touches on the problems with the Epilogue as written. Nothing about how the magical world changed after Voldemort’s downfall is revealed. The books touched on themes of prejudice, house unity, werewolf rights, and bigotry and none of these are resolved in the Epilogue. Sure it wouldn’t be realistic for everything to be rosy after the death of Voldemort since prejudice far pre-dated his rise to power. But at least show us something which indicates that things are getting better! I would have found that much more relevant and enjoying to read than the names of all the offsprings.

    As for ships: to me, the interview between JKR and Emma really is the perfect compromise to shipping wars. Rowling is finally admitting that Harmony shippers weren’t wrong to see a connection between Harry and Hermione, but also still endorses Ron and Hermione as a couple (albeit not a couple without any problems). So it’s a perfect solution because while I’ve never been part of the shipping wars myself, I’ve always thought Harmony shippers were undeservedly mistreated. In my perfect world, I would have prefered Rowling to “take back” Harry and Ginny because that relationship should never have lasted past its first hormonal year. Sure, their personalities are very compatible but Ginny needed to grow the hell up and get a life in my opinion. Now she will forever be Harry’s yes woman and dutiful wife (and no, she definitely did not have any say in naming her children). Their relationship has always been the worst written part of the books to me. It was just cringe-worthy every step of the way.

    Also, the Weaslification of the wizarding world creeps me out. Everybody is either a Weasley by name or related to a Weasley, yikes. It makes sense in a way since there were so many Weasleys to begin with but something about the whole thing makes me want to go take a looong shower. That would have been a reason to leave Tonks and Lupin alive- to have one family who isn’t a Weasley or in any way connected to them.

    • ISeeThestrals

      For me I didn’t first care for the epilogue because it was the confirmation that Harry and friends had grown up leading somewhat ordinary lives without any more adventures. If the epilogue could be written differently, I like the idea of it focusing on Harry’s p.o.v as we come to learn what else had happened in the wizarding world since then. Maybe it could’ve taken place at Harry’s home with him discussing such things with his friends. But it’s understandable it ended on platform 9 3/4 as that’s where Harry’s life really began, so it’s symbolic of a new adventure starting.

      I’ve never been part of shipping characters, and when it came to Harry and Ginny, I’m not sure I ever really saw it as an actual relationship. Maybe more like wish fulfillment there. I found it interesting it was pointed out in the podcast that both Harry and Draco married their mothers. Long ago I listened to video on Youtube where a person expressed distaste for the Harry and Ginny couple because it was like Harry married Lily. Ever since I first heard that, it stuck with me.

      There are a lot of Weasleys affecting the wizarding world. I’ve had that same thought of everyone being related to a Weasley.

    • SlytherinKnight

      To me, the epilogue felt a bit like a tack-on fan fiction piece to wrap everything up in a neat little bow.

    • expecto-pootronum

      Ah, the Harry and Ginny relationship. Definitely problems there. But I disagree with the yes woman part – I always felt that post-book 4 Ginny was overamplified as the “feisty” one (I swear, if I hear a woman in fiction described as “feisty” one more time…). It feels like Rowling was trying really hard to stress that Ginny had become a confident enough person to be on equal footing with Harry, and not always sit around making heart eyes at him. While I like Ginny’s wit and confidence, it always felt like a pretty shallow characterization. I would’ve loved a more in-depth exploration of her character, because she has so much potential.

      • SlytherinKnight

        There are two scenes that could have added so much to Ginny’s character, two small scenes that would have fleshed Ginny out from the flat 2-D little sister character she was into a reasonably well rounded character. The first scene would be have Ginny tell Harry that she also believed Harry about the Goblet of Fire (Hermione is the only one to actually say she believes Harry until after the First Task) and then the second scene would be expanding on Ginny’s comment about being possessed in Order of the Phoenix. If JK Rowling had down that, Ginny would ave shown a lot more depth of character than she does in the books. Honestly Ginny in the books is pretty much a shallow girl who suddenly grows curves and is lusted after by quite a few boys at Hogwarts (evident by the roaring monster in Harry’s chest that suddenly appears in Half-Blood Prince)

        • expecto-pootronum

          Agreed! Those two additions would have done so much for her. Also, I know romance isn’t the biggest focus of the story, but would it have been so hard to show us at least a little of Harry and Ginny’s relationship? I don’t need to see them making out all across the Hogwarts grounds, but anything showing their emotional connection and relationship dynamic would’ve been nice.

          • FailedAurorNowRunsAQuiznos

            They needed to have a scene after the battle, to show that Ginny was truly an important part of Harry’s life, and that now that it was all done, she would be on equal footing with Ron and Hermione. Instead Harry says something like there would be time for her later, I need to hang out with Ron and Hermione and tell them things that I guess I don’t feel comfortable sharing with the woman I’m supposed to love. I’m paraphrasing, of course 😉

          • expecto-pootronum

            Which again brings us to the idea that an epilogue set not too far in the future would’ve been better!
            I like certain aspects of the part you mentioned – since Harry probably knows Ron and Hermione better than he knows Ginny (and they’ve been through this entire year with him), I felt it was pretty appropriate for him to talk to them first. Seeing friendship prioritized over romantic love is something we don’t get enough of in media! However, I totally agree that we absolutely needed some kind of post-battle scene with Harry and Ginny. Ending it that way made it feel like she wasn’t important enough.

          • FailedAurorNowRunsAQuiznos

            Definitely agree that an epilogue would have been better set closer to the events of the book. I think he’s spent all year with them, that maybe talking to Ginny first would have been more appropriate, just like a quick moment would have been fine. And I think bringing Ginny along to Dumbledore’s office would have been a nice touch.

            Yes, friendship over romantic love is not something you see often, but it is something we see in Harry Potter. Remember Harry sort of abandoned Cho on their date for Hermione, his friend. It is a small detail but would have been nice to see Harry, if not prioritize Ginny in that moment, include her.

            If you look at all the characters in the story, at least the ones with significant time or roles relative to Harry, they all have their story arcs. Neville is the best example but others as well had their general story play out. What was Ginny’s other than Harry’s love interest, which we only see from his point of view? We are told she is a really talented witch and we see a bunch of her personality, but what was her story? The best I can come up with that doesn’t involve Harry is her trying to be independent. But even then, at the very end, Molly saves her from death. I think her story really gets told after the events of the battle, both through her quidditch career and just coming to terms with how Harry and her were during his 7th year and then being an auror. I’m fine if Ginny’s main story revolves around her relationship with him, but we need her perspective on things, which we never got.

          • Wokanshutaiduo

            Ironically we get plenty of references to them making out all over Hogwarts but little emotional connection or development.

      • Lisa

        Oh, I agree that she was supposed to be feisty. And she was, except with Harry around. She hated everyone treating like her like a child and being overprotective of her–except when Harry did it. Ginny is supposed to be the perfect anti-thesis to Cho. Cho was too emotional, too needy, Harry couldn’t handle it so JKR gave him a girl who has no needs of her own, doesn’t cry because that annoys him and generally goes along with whatever he says.

        I really do wish there would have been more to Ginny. From HBP and onwards, JKR just wasn’t kind to her at all. Her last moment in the series is her failing again when trying to prove her independence and having to be rescued by Harry or her mother. As I said in the last chapter, everyone got a chance to shine except Ginny. And that’s a shame.

        • expecto-pootronum

          Oh man, good point about the crying thing. That always kind of annoyed me too – Ginny, the character who doesn’t cry because Harry can’t deal with Emotions™ and that makes her perfect for him.
          A lot of Ginny is pretty much the definition of telling and not showing.

        • FailedAurorNowRunsAQuiznos

          Agree with a lot of this. As I said in a comment above, part of my issue with how Ginny was portrayed is we never got a clear sense of what her story arc was?

          If it was her fight for independence, as you pointed out, that never got resolved as Molly fought her fight.

          If it was her relationship with Harry, (which I think I’m ok with) then we never got much of a story out of that. And perhaps there is nothing that can be done about it due to the timing of when they got together, their quick break up, and then not seeing her again until the final battle. But because Rowling wrapped the story up right after the battle, we never had a chance to actually go into her story.

    • Wokanshutaiduo

      I’ve always been a RonMione shipper, but I agree with you 110% about the HarryGinny ship. And also the rest of the comment.

  • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

    Alohomora feels a bit like being at a concert of your favourite band and somehow everyone in the audience is a friend. Maybe they like different songs or albums than you, but they’re here because of the music and the people and to have a good time. The band plays songs the audience suggests and they bring people on stage to sing along. All too soon the concert is over, and nobody wants to leave, so people ask for one-more-song, and when the band announces „well, we could just as well play all through the night, just keep telling us which songs“ you can’t believe it and hug everyone in sight and cheer and cry a little and join in into the chorus that chants „Is it alive?“

    • Caleb

      How touching! Well thankfully, we’re not going anywhere : )

  • I wish we’d found out the middle names of Rose and Hugo. Given that they feature with equal prominence to the Potter children, and are the children of two of the trio, it’s kind of sad that we’ve never been told of them, unlike those of James, Albus and Lily

  • Hollywobbles
    • ISeeThestrals

      awesome thanks. I had put off reading it when it first came out because I saw it was so long and needed time to enjoy it. Then I forgot about it.

  • SnapesManyButtons

    Regarding the name Albus Severus, a blogger on tumblr named joons posted this, which is a play on the many posts making fun of the name:

    albus severus potter, you were named after two men who taught me how difficult it is to distinguish between good and evil, because every human being has the capacity for both inside themselves. i spent my life idolizing one and vilifying the other, but it wasn’t until i was older that i realized the enormity of the choices they were forced to make and the guilt and regret they carried with them their whole lives. they were both like me, ambitious and stubborn and lost, but they devoted their whole lives to protecting me, and i’ll forever be grateful for that. without them, you would never have been born, and if there’s one thing i want you to remember, it’s that you are always capable of selflessness and bravery, even when it seems impossible, because they were. they were not perfect people, but they were stronger than i ever knew, and they taught me that the choices you make, however small, however misguided, matter. they matter after you’re gone. they matter to the world you want to change, and making the right choice after you’ve made the wrong one, hard as it is, is how we grow. so remember that. be brave, albus severus. you don’t have to be a gryffindor to know what that means.

    I really thought this captured the spirit of why Harry would name his son after these two men.

    • ISeeThestrals

      It makes sense. It’s just the name itself doesn’t seem to flow easily

    • Wokanshutaiduo

      It makes sense. I still think it’s a very heavy name to put onto his child’s shoulders.
      I disagree with ISeeThestrals though, I think the name flows very well. The names themselves aren’t very common or mainstream names; but when said aloud Albus Severus Potter actually has a pleasant cadence.

  • ISeeThestrals

    Will the next episode be a movie watch or a book wrap? I don’t think I’ve heard mention of the movie watch lately.

  • SlytherinKnight

    First off, congratulations Alohomora hosts on completing the series!! You’ve all done an absolutely brilliant job at recapping the series, movies and the entire Potter universe.

    Now I have never hidden the fact that I have hated the name Albus Severus, mostly because while Dumbledore and Snape helped ‘shape’ Harry through his childhood and did ‘guide’ him, I didn’t think they deserved to be honored like that (at minimum not so obviously). JK Rowling easily could have still honored Dumbledore and Snape by having Harry name Albus something like Brian Tobias because, as the synopsis of Cursed Child, we know that Albus is already having trouble trying to live up to Harry’s reputation, now Harry has put the reputations of Dumbledore and Snape on top of his own onto his own son (who already looks just like Harry). I do hope that Albus does become a Slytherin or a Ravenclaw perhaps because then it would show that Albus is ‘attempting’ to step out of Harry’s and James Sirius’ shadows.

    Also, I wanted to chime in on the Hermione/Ron and Harry/Hermione relationship chatter that the hosts talked about due to the Emma Watson/JK Rowling interview back in 2014. I found the quote about wish fulfillment from JK Rowling very telling. As an aspiring writer, I noticed how Harry and Hermione’s characters shifted quite steeply after Order of the Phoenix, and I feel that this is the time when JK Rowling decided to shift back to the Ron/Hermione relationship that she had envisioned when she started the series. And due to that shift, I do think up until that point there was a very small chance that Harry would have ended up with Hermione. (I have accepted the canon pairings, and besides changing things is what fan fiction is for). I also gleamed from the interview that characters drive the plot much more than I ever thought, I was an English-Creative Writing minor in school, so I am always looking for tidbits of advice in order to get better.

    So once again, congrats on doing an ‘Outstanding’ job. And I look forward to what comes next.

  • expecto-pootronum

    Thank you guys for using the term “fanfic-y” to describe the epilogue! I could never put a finger on what exactly it was that annoyed me about the writing style, but I totally agree.

    The other thing I’d like to mention is why I was kind of disappointed in the epilogue as a whole. I think it
    has a lot to do with generational shifts and different expectations. It’s no secret the millennial generation (of which all of us who grew up with Harry are a part) is frustrated by the outdated social
    expectations of having a spouse, children, and financial stability by the time we’re 30. In a lot of places this isn’t even really attainable anymore, and going from my own preferences, a lot of people are even rejecting the 2.5-kids-white-picket-fence concept.

    Harry and his companions broke a lot of expectations and rules during their journey in the books. They
    challenged what notions like family or loyalty even mean. Essentially, they broke the system. And for us, who clamoring for positive depictions of non-traditional families and adults, having them fall into that very same system in these roles of “father of three with house and job” just seems like a step back.

    This, along with (as you mentioned) the fact that 19 years are too big a jump for it to still be truly
    relatable to the reader, just left me feeling jarred. I really would’ve preferred the book to have ended after chapter 36.

    • Lisa

      To me, the books have always seemed kind of traditional. All the families we see (except the Lovegoods) are two parent families usually with a “male breadwinner, wife stays home” model. Nothing wrong with that, but I didn’t really see that they “challenged what notions like family mean”. That being said, I was also disappointed that everyone was living in marital bliss in their thirties.
      I guess it makes sense because wizards don’t have any education past 18 years old so it’s not like in the Muggle world where you go to college or university and meet new people, travel, work several jobs, etc. So it would make sense for them to settle down sooner but it still feels a bit too sugary that they’re all married with several children. None of them are living an unconventional lifestyle. I would also have preferred an ending after chapter 36 where the reader could have imagined the future of the characters as they want it.

      • expecto-pootronum

        I guess I’m focusing mostly on Harry when I talk about challenging the meaning of family. He has just about the most unconventional family history he could, and a big part of his story is how he puts together the family he never had out of friends, mentors, companions, etc. I felt the meaning of family and loyalty was challenged by that, together with the “circumstances don’t matter as much as choices do” concept.
        Totally with you on the sugary aspect. Imagining everyone living the suburb life is kind of a letdown. Sure, 19 years is probably enough time for a lot of people to deal with their issues from the war, but a more effective epilogue could’ve jumped, say, two to three years into the future instead (and skipped the fanfic-y kids’ names completely).

      • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

        This is why I cling happily to my imagined scenes of Luna off roaming parklands and mountains around the world, studying and sketching the wildlife and publishing her research while everyone else is packing trunks and ironing robes for their kids’ trips to Hogwarts (which is great but never going to be everyone’s life choice). I was relieved that Rowling confirmed that she married later (which I’m imagining to be in her 40s or later, although it could have just been her late 20s, given that that is technically “later” than Harry, etc.).

        • Phoenix

          And even after her marriage there is no reason why she should have given up her expolrer lifestyle, especially since her husband works in the same field. (Do we actually know that or do we just assume that he follows in his father’s footsteps?) In any case, I imagine their twin sons growing up on the move to be the most widely-travelled kids ever to enter Hogwarts.

          • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

            Do we know that they go to Hogwarts? If you’ve travelled the world and seen other magical communities, picking another school seems possible and even interesting to me.

          • Phoenix

            No, I don’t think we know anything about them except for their names, so everything is possible!

  • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

    I’m reading the last chapter on my Kindle, so guess what Amazon does when I get to the last page:

    “Next in the series: Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. Pre-order today.”

    Not sure how to feel about this.

    • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

      I’m cool with them advertising Cursed Child, but the “next in the series” bit definitely makes me cringe. At this point, it feels like they are being intentionally misleading and that isn’t cool.

      • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

        I think the biggest shock for me is in the past it would advertise the companion books or somethings vaguely related. Now there is an actual “next in the series.” It’s just so odd to think about, because I was totally fine with the series ending here (and maybe the long lost encyclopedia).

    • Kat

      My dislike is really a like of your comment, but a dislike of what it says. That is…disgusting.

  • SpinnersEnd

    Why don’t we hear about Neville’s godparents? They were such a big deal for Harry, why doesn’t Neville go live with them instead of his grandmother.

    Also, who was Harry’s godmother? Do we know this?

    • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

      I would assume that Neville’s godparents are members of his extended family. I don’t think Harry had a godmother. I know Rosie once mentioned the importance of godparents in British culture, but I don’t think they are actually neccessary or required. In fact, Hermione and Ron never mention their own godparents. Also, I always thought that godparents are more symbolic as opposed to a legal guardian. Harry is Teddy’s godfather, but from what JKR revealed Teddy lived with his grandmother, although it appears he would spend the night and spend a lot of time with Harry and his family.

  • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

    Hey Alohomora team, I just want to give everyone a big thank you for providing me with so many entertaining episodes for so many years! I remember when I downloaded my first episode. I was going on a three hour car trip alone and wanted to find something interesting to listen to while I drove. I never, ever listened to podcasts before, but I remember that Mugglenet annoucing Alohomora and I thought I would give it a try. There were only two episodes at the time, which were the first four chapters of SS/PS because you guys used to analyze two chapters a week. From then on, I was hooked.

    During this episode, I remembered one of my favorite Alohomora memories: it was the first time my comment was read on the show and I was so excited to hear my name and know that you thought my comment was interesting. At that time (I think it was a year into the show) I was working at Universal Orlando Resort. I was listening to the show in my car and you read my comment right as I was pulling into the employee parking lot. I remember sitting there, listening to the recap comments, while staring at Hogwarts (aka, Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey). Ironically, there was a huge piece of empty land next to the parking lot that was nothing more than a pile of dirt. The year before it was the Jaws ride. A year later, it was annouced that it would become Diagon Alley. Something about sitting in my car, staring at all this Harry Potter stuff around me while listening to an awesome analysis of the books gave me such a sense of happiness, because I knew that all of this meant that the Harry Potter fandom would really never die. I think it was a year later that I got invited to be on the show (for the first chapted of GoF).

    Anyway, thank you again Alohomora for four amazing years of fun! I look forward to what happens next!

    -Alyssa

  • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

    I just want to say how much I absolutely love the last line. “All was well” doesn’t mean things are squeeky clean. “Well” to me means fine or okay. Not perfect, fantastic, or great. To me, this means that no one lived a perfectly happy life. There was so many dark things that happened in the past to these characters that I don’t think they will ever fully, 100% recover. But things are good enough. There are problems, but it is okay because they can deal with them now. I think this line has stuck to me so much is because this seems like the end to almost any life story. I don’t think anyone can say that they lived a perfectly happy life, but if you add up everything by the end, you can probably say it was well. I don’t know if I’m doing a good job explaining it, but to me this was the perfect ending because it shows that the characters lived life as well as they could with all things considered, but in the end they are fine. And that’s good enough for me. All was well.

    P.S. – Screw “always.” If I get a HP themed tattoo, I’m totally going for this phrase.

  • Congrats hosts on finishing! You’ve definitely had me looking at things in the series with different lenses on. Thank you for giving me new perspectives through the years!

  • ISeeThestrals

    I can’t recall if this question has been tossed around on the board before but, I wonder what Snape, in the form of the portrait, would make of Harry naming his kid after him. And on that note, I always wondered what Snape’s burial was like and who attended.

    • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

      I guess the Hogwarts staff would attend Snape’s funeral, and the trio, and if Eileen Snape is still alive, they’d have notified her.
      How much can a portrait know of the depicted person if it was made posthumously? I believe it could have an opinion on everything, but that opinion does not reflect the person as well as if they had interacted before the person’s death.

      • Phoenix

        Whether Snape’s parents are still alive is an interesting question. It seems to me that neither of them is still alive – it is important for Snape’s character to be independent and not to have any ties or responsabilities except for THE ONE. Also, Snape lived in his parents’ house, which suggests that he inherited it. But who knows… they might well be alive. After all, Snape died young – it’s easy to forget (for me at least), but he was only in his early thirties at the beginning of the series!

        • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

          Age-wise it’s unlikely that both his parents have died before him. Also it would be very odd if there were no adults from that generation left: The parents of Lily, James, Sirius and Remus have all died at this point in the story. Snape’s parents may have moved away and no longer live together after their son was grown up.

          • Phoenix

            You’re right, but it does seem strange that they would leave the house to their son, given that they are not wealthy…

            I think there’s a bit of contradiction in the series that goes beyond Snape: Witches and wizards apparently live far longer than Muggles, but nobody apart from Neville ever gets to know their grandparents.

          • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

            I guess that’s why the fan theories have suggested Irma Pince as Snape’s mother who is hidden from the Death Eaters and everyone else at Hogwarts. Although secret relatives are more Star Wars Style.

            Witches and wizards live longer outside of their own civil wars. Those many unspecified people who were killed by Death Eaters could easily have been most people’s grandparents.

            Which brings me to another point: I hope that some people took the time and made the effort to go to that cave and give all the poor souls there a final resting place far from the threat of being touched by dark magic again!

          • Wokanshutaiduo

            I think it’s important to remember that they had been through three wars in the last century (Grindelwald and two Voldemort wars) which partially explains the lack of older generation family among the characters we know.

            James parents as I recall were already very elderly when he was born, and died of old age. I think Malfoy’s grandfather died from Dragon Pox? Sirius’ mother died of a broken heart after Regulus’ death.

            The more minor characters grandparents are not mentioned; that doesn’t mean they are dead. Neville’s grandparents are relevant because his parents are unable to take care of him. Most children live with their parents not grandparents.

            I don’t see the Snape parents as still being alive. Like you said, why would Severus be living in his parents old house if they were still alive? And remember; his father is a drunkard Muggle thus not particularly blessed with longevity.

          • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

            Assuming Tobias died first (or was brought into an institution because he wasn’t well enough to stay in his home), why would Eileen stay in Spinner’s End? Few people live in the same place all their lives, especially if they weren’t happy somewhere.

    • Wokanshutaiduo

      There’s a whole heap of fanfiction about these questions XD I think I’ve read literally every one.

      Albus Severus – I think Snape would be secretly touched but also quite derisive of the decision.

      The funeral is harder. I think Harry would attend and drag the others with him, out of a feeling of obligation and respect. I can’t think who would speak for him though. Snape has no family, and Albus is dead. The only other person I can think of is Minerva, and I think that there would be some awkwardness there too because she, like everybody else, spent a year hating him, and her last words to him were to call him a coward.

  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    I love the career path Jo imagined for Ron. I like that he was able to be an Auror for awhile, because it would have been so sad if he didn’t pass the exam or wasn’t given credit for his part in defeating Voldemort the way Harry was. I hate to think of him being overlooked as usual, so yay. However, I think eventually going on to help George with the joke shop was the perfect choice for him, being the joker that he is.

    I do have a problem with Ron’s wisecracking in the epilogue is when he tells Rose “Don’t get too friendly with him, though, Rosie. Grandad Weasley would never forgive you if you married a pureblood.” I take soo much issue with this. First off, she is 11, and I hate when adults project any kind of romantic future onto children’s boy/girl friendships. The parents I used to nanny for always referred to this little boy who their daughter played with often, as her “boyfriend”. No, they are five, and they are friends; can’t we just leave it at that? If Scorpius were a girl would he have implied that being too friendly might lead to marriage?
    Also, what a horrible thing to imply about a child’s relationship with a grandparent. I’m sure he was only intending to refer to Arthur’s muggle obsession and how excited he would be to have one in the family, but that he “would never forgive” her, even as a joke, seems a bit much to tell a kid.

    Mostly though, I find it really odd that he would joke about blood identity, given everything they went through and everyone they lost, because of exactly that kind of sentiment. I find it hard to believe that Hermione would find any amusement in it whatsoever. Maybe I’m just taking it too seriously, after all, this is “emotional range of a teaspoon” Ron we are talking about here, but I still cringe at that line.

    • Phoenix

      I agree with you on both points.
      I remember being confused and annoyed by speculations on my future love life when I was a child. You’re also right about the heterosexist nature of those comments. Most parents expect their children to be straight – if they’re not, small comments like these are exactly what makes their lives unnecessarily difficult.

      I don’t mind the joke about Arthur too much – the idea of his excitement about attending a part-Muggle wedding just makes me too happy. 🙂

      I agree with you on the blood status issue, though. The ideology that people are separated into groups by their heritage should belong to the past at this point, and I am disappointed they still use it as a meaningful category. Nobody except nostalgic Death Eaters should even be using a word like “pure-blood” or “half-blood” any more.

    • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

      I agree with you that Ron’s line is problematic on various levels. It’s not funny as a joke and if it’s not meant as a joke, it’s even more inappropriate. But somehow that is a continuation of the moments when Ron didn’t grasp what was alright to say, hence Luna’s remark that he can be unkind.
      Looking at the Malfoys specifically, Draco stepped away a bit from the pure-blood supremacy ideology, but he and his family still have some privilege that came with it. Ron doesn’t like that and Harry may have forgiven Draco and Narcissa, but Ron hasn’t, I guess. Also, in their Hogwarts years Ron was always proud of Hermione being better in every subject than Draco, living proof that the blood-nonsense is bs. He wants his children to continue that, to show the world that it’s more important who you become through your choices and your own accomplishments than through heritage.
      I’d be glad if the magical world had overcome issues like these, but I guess 20 years is not enough time.

    • SlytherinKnight

      While I can see that Ron’s comments be taken as a joke, and as a way to show that Ron hasn’t lost his ‘child-like’ personality. But it also shows that Ron hasn’t grown up very much either. The saying goes ‘There is a little bit of truth in every joke’, so doesn’t that say that Ron believes that he is better that others mainly because he was on the winning side of the war.

      Also the line about Ron using magic on the driving instructor really spoke to me because it told me that Ron still believes that he is better than muggles because he has magic, a bit like Dumbledore when he used magic on the Dursleys in Half-Blood Prince. While I can understand him using magic while driving to help him, but for him to use it on the instructor to pass, is the height of what Arthur fought against with the Muggle Protection Act, the casual use of magic against Muggles. You notice that Ron hasn’t told Hermione about it, mainly because he knows that Hermione will tear strips of his hide off him for it if he does. And I would hope Harry would give Ron a reprimand at the very least for using magic on a muggle, Harry is the Head Auror after all. I mean, that is what the Trio and everyone fought against, the bigotry, corruption and hate that saturated their world, and Ron just did the same.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        I think if Ron had meant to harm the muggle driving instructor, rather than just use magic to essentially cheat on his test, Harry would have had a problem with it. I agree though, it is somewhat troubling that he seems totally fine with using magic directly on a muggle without their knowledge or consent. It may not have been an issue of “dark” magic, but it is the sort of thing Harry ought to concern himself with.

    • Wokanshutaiduo

      I take issue with Ron’s line, but not with Ron saying the line. I think the line is quintessentially Ron. Ron has never been tactful; and Ron has always held biases and problematic viewpoints which he doesn’t think twice about. I hate that the line needs to exist, but I love that it is in the books. That even after the war is won, the world does not suddenly become an idyllic place, and there’s many types of bigotry and being one of the ‘good guys’ doesn’t exempt you from that.

      I don’t mind the quip about Arthur, that’s clearly meant as a joke. But I definitely think that its problematic for Ron to project his prejudice onto Scorpius.

  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    I think I disagree that Luna would just disappear from the trio and co’s lives at some point. It makes sense that they may not see much of her, as she’d be off traveling the world studying magical creatures. However, I imagine her sending them lots of letters detailing her experiences, with photographs and perhaps even little gifts ( a necklace of shedded augery feathers, for instances). My headcanon has the Potter/Weasley family gathering around Ginny to listen to her read Luna’s latest letter, chuckling together at the pure Luna-ness and finding joy and pride in her exploits. Luna so strongly valued her friendships, having gone so long without any, that I don’t think she would just let them slip away. She did, after all, paint them onto her ceiling, where they would be the first and last thing she would see every day at home as a teenager. I think she, above all of them, would really make an effort to maintain a connection.

    • Slyvenpuffdor

      I agree with you that Luna highly values the relationships she has, but I can just as easily see Luna thinking “Why would being far away mean we aren’t close friends anymore?” and feeling a more secure relationship without having to frequently be in touch. But maybe that’s just my interpretation of Luna.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        That seems very Luna too, but whether they keep in touch frequently or not, I still don’t see her as the type who would just disappear from their lives forever. I can also see how letters and what not would become less frequent as she built new relationships and her own family, but I think there would still be some communication.

        • Slyvenpuffdor

          Oh yea, I don’t think she would vanish 🙂

    • Phoenix

      Also, Luna and Rolf were among Harry’s friends who visited the Quidditch World Cup in 2014!

  • Phoenix

    I’m glad you talked so much about Rita Skeeter’s Quidditch article (which I believe is the best writing Jo has done since the end of the books), but you didn’t mention my favourite part: During her reporting battle with Ginny, Rita Skeeter briefly mentions Rolf Scamander and observes that it can’t have been easy for him to marry into the DA. I like that statement a lot because I have always had issues with the concept of everyone being eternally happy with their Hogwarts sweethearts. Rita’s comment confirms that the habit of Harry’s friends all marrying each other is seen as peculiar inside the book universe as well.
    Rita seems to see the ex-DA members as an elitist group that tends to keep to themselves. I think Rita got that part wrong. They are not elitist, they share a common experience that may be hard to understand for everyone who wasn’t there with them, which may be why they find it easiest to relate to members of that group even as adults. Having understood this, I can now live with their strange marriage politics and ALMOST find it plausible. Thank you, Rita Skeeter!

    • Wokanshutaiduo

      Oooh this is nice. I always had issues with the perfect high school sweethearts thing, and this helps a little bit.

    • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

      So this does confirm that Luna was married by her mid-thirties? Sigh. I shouldn’t care, but I just wanted someone to be on a different timeline, and it just felt right for Luna.

      • Phoenix

        If Pottermore is canon, I suppose it does. Luna would be 33 in 2014, if I’m not mistaken. Too bad, I agree with you that ONE character with a different timeline would have been nice. Oh, but wait: Didn’t Jo tell us that Luna had children “much later”? The twins are also mentioned in Rita’s article, so apparently, 33 is a late age to have children. Sigh.

        • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

          Luna and Ginny are the same age. Ginny’s eldest child was born ca. in 2004, while Luna’s children were born after 2008, so there is a “huge” difference.
          Jo & Math again.

          • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

            I don’t remember the exact wording, but was the “much later” about Luna having kids or getting married? If it was about getting married, then I could see Harry and Ginny and Ron and Hermione getting married relatively soon after Deathly Hallows (1998 or later), while Luna may have gotten married around 2008 and immediately had kids, so there kind of sort of is a gap there.

            But yeah, Jo and math have never been friends. My favorite bad math moment is the fact that school always seems to start on Sept 1, which is always a Sunday for the first day of classes to start on a Monday. How in the world is that possible?!?

        • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

          Ah, well. At least we’ve now decided that Luna and Rolf are off with these kids strapped to their backs while they explore the Arctic …

  • Phoenix

    As for Ron getting his driving licence so late in life: Isn’t there a magical driving licence that is different from the Muggle one? After all, the Weasleys once get to borrow a Ministry car, which suggests that there are professional wizard drivers who drive official magical cars – not just home-made ones like Arthur’s. Ron may already know how to drive a car magically, but at some point he decided – truly his father’s son – that it would be fun to drive a Muggle car, so he took Muggle driving lessons – no doubt to Arthur’s excitement and everyone else’s bewilderment.

    • Wokanshutaiduo

      I assume driving magical cars is significantly easier because they just slip through impossible gaps instead of colliding with and scratching the other cars.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Yeah, there isn’t much need for driving skill or even knowledge of rules of the road when you can defy physics. But I suppose learning how to operate a magical car would probably require it’s own particular skill set. I mean, if you plan on squeezing through a seemingly impossible gap between two massive trucks, you wouldn’t want to screw that up.

  • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

    I’m so glad how the fandom gave Charlie Weasley a backstory beyond the books and so many headcanons that show more aspects of the magical world. A lot of them are dragon appreciation, and I love them, but claiming the character for representation and education is brilliant!

  • Actually, there is an explanation for Albus wearing Brazillian colours at the QWC; he was fond of the seeker.

  • The wierd thing is that Arthur Albus feels so much more natural then Albus Severus.

    • ISeeThestrals

      Well Arthur Albus both begin with “A” for a start

  • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

    Has anyone noticed this, too: James claims that most students get letters from home once a month. While that may be long letters, it seems to be very little contact that parents have with their magical children during the school year. Magical parents may not question this, because they’ve been to Hogwarts, too, and have lived through these years far away from their families. Muggle parents who did not go to boarding schools would certainly feel different about this. For Harry it may feel like a “little bereavement” when his second child rides away on the train. But if I picture my 10-year-old boarding that train in September, there’s no way I’d send only one letter per month. More like writing every day.

    • Phoenix

      True – but isn’t it implied that James was lying to his brother when he said that and that he received mail from Harry and Ginny far more often?

      • Wokanshutaiduo

        Yeah I think Ginny said that straight out.

      • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

        James did get mail more often, but that doesn’t mean it applies to the other students. Ginny just says how often they wrote to their son, nothing about other children.

        • SnapesManyButtons

          The way I read it, James was just messing with his little brother, trying to scare him into thinking he wouldn’t be able to hear from his parents much. Just like he was teasing him about being in Slytherin. I never thought he was telling the truth but just the kind of thing big brothers do to little brothers.

  • ISeeThestrals

    It was announced on the radio that yesterday May 2nd, was the anniversary of the Battle of Hogwarts. It’s amazing the main series was finished up by then on this site.
    Much power to a series that gets that kind of coverage 🙂

  • Wokanshutaiduo

    Oh man I have been insanely busy this week! Finally getting a chance to listen to the podcast so will respond as I listen!

    I have to agree that I prefer the movie version of the epilogue to the book. As you said, the movie cuts out a lot of the cheesiness and fanfic feel to the epilogue. It felt to me like the movie Trio were still a little worn from the war, but that they were getting that happy ending and still seemed to feel that sense of wonder of ‘Wow, we made it!” Also visually it was more appealing to me, it felt like such a great callback to Harry’s first train ride and an excitement for the next generation of students that get to experience Hogwarts.

    I always have mixed feelings for the epilogue. In some ways I really liked the last line of the previous chapter and would have loved it to end that way. In some ways I am happy that Harry gets a happily ever after. But there are just so many nitpicky things that I dislike about the epilogue!

  • Wokanshutaiduo

    One of the things that seems VERY fanfic-y of the epilogue is, of course, the children. Their names – in some ways a very touching tribute to the dead – in others, very cheesy. I can’t help but feel bad for Ginny for not getting much choice in the names. I feel bad for the kids, to have unoriginal names and to live with the pressure of association with their namesakes. James Sirius already being made out to be a brash Gryffindor and prankster (Can you picture Minerva’s face when she calls out his name for Sorting?). Albus Severus being the one to potentially go to Slytherin.

    I feel bad especially for Albus Severus. I love the idea of a tribute to Snape – but have a funeral for the man! Put his portrait in the Headmasters’ office! Openly discredit Rita Skeeter’s book of defamation! Don’t saddle your son with that name! Especially when his brother is named JAMES SIRIUS for Merlin’s sake! As well call your first son James Severus! I also don’t see Snape being particularly happy with this form of tribute in the first place! “Yet another Severus who can never be with yet another Lily Potter eyyyy.”

    Also, I get that the wizarding world is small. But the interconnectedness of the characters is just too neat and tidy for me. Teddy Lupin getting it on with Victoire Weasley? JK seemingly shipping Rose Weasley with Scorpius Malfoy? Ron/Hermione/Harry all marrying their teenage sweethearts?

    • Lisa

      “But the interconnectedness of the characters is just too neat and tidy for me.”
      Yup. Voldemort was stupid. Molly and Arthur had a much better idea for taking over the wizarding world. They just reproduced and kept at it and granted, they had to wait a while, but now the whole magical community belongs to them and their offspring, mwahahah.

      • SnapesManyButtons

        I don’t think this is representative of the Wizarding World, but of Harry’s world. These are people who all run in the same social circle of family and friends so they are bound to make connections and relationships there. But in the scheme of the overall Wizarding World there must be plenty of families and communities that don’t include any Weasleys or other people from Harry’s circle.

  • Wokanshutaiduo

    One of the things I DO love about the epilogue is Ron and Hermione. I just love that their relationship hasn’t changed, and that Ron is still hilarious. I love Ron’s line about Scorpius Malfoy and Hermione’s response.

  • Wokanshutaiduo

    I don’t think JK’s Slytherin headcanon would work. I definitely can’t see the House being diluted in literally one generation. Honestly, anything that JK has tacked on about Slytherin just rings of pandering to me, without a true grounding in reality. (Reality in a fictional universe hahaha :D)

    • ISeeThestrals

      Yes, we needed to see a spark of a git-free Slytherin much earlier in the series. To hear about any changes in them in the end doesn’t seem to make a big impact. Without a more balanced view of the Slytherins, it makes it a little harder for non-Slytherin house supporters to accept that it’s okay for Albus to end up in that house.

    • Lisa

      Didn’t you say above that you would not accept any house for Albus Severus aside from Slytherin? Now you’re saying Slytherin wouldn’t work 😛

      • Wokanshutaiduo

        Ahaha, it’s not as contradictory as it sounds. I don’t think Slytherin would work because the story as it’s written doesn’t portray it that way. For all JK’s add-ons about Slytherin not being inherently evil, there is very little textual confirmation that she gives for this.

        Now, there are many of us Slytherins that love the spirit of our House, and love it for it’s potential and all the ways we identify with the Darker characters. We have fought every inch of the re-read to find and point out the instances of Slytherins being good, and even the instances of them just being not-evil. But JK has given us so little to work with here, and it would require all of our idealistic headcanons combined to lead to the kind of next-generation Slytherin that JK envisions.

        As for me not accepting Albus Severus as anything other than Slytherin. This is purely based on what I WANT, and what I think would best reflect the theme of Slytherin IS redeemable. Not what I think best reflects the world as JK wrote it. It’s not so very contradictory for me to imagine this version of Albus Severus; because I DO imagine all my idealistic Slytherin scenarios and Albus Severus as a Slytherin is just another part of my headcanon. The great thing about the next generation characters is that their personalities are not written in stone. Hell, very little of them is even written on paper. Albus Severus doesn’t have to be the perfect Potter child and the perfect paragon of Slytherin virtue. But for my vision of the future, it’s important for a Potter, however flawed, to be a Slytherin.

  • Wokanshutaiduo

    Again, I have to express my frustration with Harry’s words to Albus Severus. It started off quite well with the reassurance that Slytherin is alright – but every time I read the line I feel that JKR ruined it with the next line about choosing your House.

    The ONLY way to redeem this for me is for Albus to CHOOSE to go to Slytherin. Any house but Slytherin I cannot accept. (If Cursed Child ends up contradicting this headcanon, I’m throwing that on the trash heap with other extracanonical information.)

    • Slyvenpuffdor

      Yea, I’m not really a big fan that Harry told AS that he can choose, that kind of ruins the point right?

    • ISeeThestrals

      The way I see it, Rowling has Harry tell him it’s possible to choose a house because, it focuses on the importance of ‘choice’ which was relevant throughout the series. But since Harry revealed it like that, it seems to be no need to put him or anyone else through the actual sorting. However, I do think it was good of Harry to be honest about his own sorting. By the way, how many other students have figured out that you can just make a house request to the sorting hat?
      I don’t see Albus choosing to go to Slytherin since he’s so worried about ending up in that house. Once there he might fall under the pressure of needing to be another Gryffindor.

  • Wokanshutaiduo

    What’s your issue with the screenplay? For those of us in places that won’t be able to see the play, we’re only going to be able to access the screenplay and the bootlegs…

    • SnapesManyButtons

      I thought they were talking about the screenplay for Fantastic Beasts and not the script book for Cursed Child. Some people think it’s too much that they put out the Cursed Child script as a book and now they are putting out the sceenplay for the Fantastic Beasts movie. Personally, I don’t think so. If you don’t want to see them, then you don’t have to but some people enjoy having everything they can get their hands on.

  • Phoenix

    Speaking of names, have you ever properly appreciated the name Lysander Scamander? :-O
    Although
    I wonder whether Luna might have kept her last name after marriage.
    (McGonagall did this, so it’s clearly possible and should surely be more
    common among younger generations?) In this case, he would be called
    Lysander Lovegood, which is also an excellent name, as is Lorcan
    Lovegood.

    • Phoenix

      Oh, I looked up Rita Skeeter’s article again, and she calls Luna “Lovegood” all the time and also mentions “Rolf Scamander, husband of ‘Loony’ Lovegood”. So Luna did keep her name, didn’t she?

      • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

        Oh, absolutely. Luna is so close with and proud of her father that I just can’t see her wanting to have a different name than him, and she is so nonconformist that it doesn’t seem likely she would follow many conventional customs. Plus, the alliteration must continue with Lysander and Lorcas Lovegood!

        I also think that Hermione would keep “Granger” as her last name, at least in a professional setting. First, because she is not having any patriarchal traditions, thank you very much. Second, because it would be important to her to retain some aspects of her Muggle-born identity, rather than subsuming it within a pure blood family name, even if it is the Weasleys.

      • Yo Rufus On Fire

        There is a possibility Luna could have taken Rolf’s last name. Everyone in the Wizarding World knows Luna as Luna Lovegood, so Rita could have just used Luna’s maiden name as an identifier for the reader.

        • Phoenix

          Sure, that’s possible. But I don’t think she changed her name, for the reasons Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals gave. Ginny is referred to as “Ginny Potter” by Rita, Luna as “Luna Lovegood” and Hermione as “Hermione Granger”. I don’t think this difference is meaningless. I would also like that to be true, of course. I would love this to be Jo’s confirmation to Emma Watson’s claim that Hermione would have kept her name. 🙂

  • Did Narcissa tell Lucius and even Draco about her little ‘chat’ with Harry in the forest? Do they know what she did to ‘save’ harry? I’d never heard the bit about Narcissa and Lucius not liking Draco’s wife … I thought Narcissa would have changed a bit like Draco but maybe she kept this secret all to herself and never revealed the best of herself.

    • ISeeThestrals

      I wouldn’t be surprised if she never told them about that ‘chat’. I don’t think she would reveal it. I get the feeling after she was reunited with her family, she didn’t view that scene as something worth mentioning, though it made an impact on the change in the war.
      Perhaps the same could be said for whether or not Draco ever told his parents Harry saved his life. I can see him telling his parents that in regards to the changes Draco’s gone through from then to now, marrying a more open-minded person.

    • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

      I too am a little surprised that after everything Lucius and Narcissa wanted a more pure-blood manic daughter-in-law. I guess you can argue it is about tradition (like how some families only want their children to marry people of their same ethnicity or religion) but I would have hoped their experiences in the war changed them for the better.

      • Lisa

        I guess there’s a difference between being pro-pureblood and being pro-Voldemort. Sirius said his parents reluctantly supported Voldemort and only two members of the Black family actually became Death Eaters. Pureblood politics and prejudice existed long before Voldemort started championing them and it makes sense that it would exist even after he’s gone. Narcissa and Lucius never disapproved of Voldemort’s ideology, they just didn’t want him threatening their son.

  • Roonil Wazlib

    I definitely agree that the epilogue feels like fanfic. Especially after the incredibly powerful language and beautiful writing of The Forest Again, King’s Cross, and The Flaw in the Plan, the epilogue really falls flat. The overdone opening description in which the morning was “crisp and golden as an apple” and people’s breath “sparkled like cobwebs in the cold air” just feels like Rowling is doing a bad imitation of her own writing.

    Although I do love Ron’s “It’s me. I’m extremely famous” line. Classic funny Ron, and shows how far he’s come from the days of him feeling jealous and overshadowed.

    • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

      The opening paragraph feels to me like it has similarities to her writing in the earlier books like Philospher’s Stone. I wonder if she wrote it early on and couldn’t bear to revise it? (I’m not clear on the writing and editing timeline of the epilogue …)

      • Lisa

        I think she said that she wrote it very early on, about the same time as PS. She revised it a bit since the last word was supposed to be “scar”.

        • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

          Thanks. (I realize now that they did address this on the episode, which I’m just now finishing.)

    • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

      I finally am having a chance to finish listening to the episode, and now realize that they discussed the tone being like the earlier books – sorry to be repetitive.

  • Yo Rufus On Fire

    Congratulations Alohomora hosts on completing this Harry Potter global re-read! You all deserve a nice hefty butter beer to celebration of your accomplishment! And thank you for continuing the show! We the listeners will get to open the Dumbledore many more times with you all! <33

  • Lisa

    About Cursed Child: is it possible that it will feature a villain from the Harry Potter books that everyone presumed dead but were wrong? Not Voldemort obviously, but maybe one of the Death Eaters? Or is the whole story supposed to be just about Harry’s son coming to terms with his legacy? Because from what I’ve read of its summary, it seems to be about how the past won’t stay buried or something like that so maybe someone we believed to be dead/imprisoned will come back?

    • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

      I find it hard to pinpoint anything about the play. All the info we get seems to be geared towards raising interest, not describing or explaining anything.

      While relistening to HBP-Alohomora-episodes I wondered if there’s something similar going on like Voldemort’s curse on the DADA-teacher position.

    • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

      I would really hate to see it be about another villain. Harry has already gone through so much, can’t he just live a quite life? I think the plot will revolve more around characters and relationships than any true villain.

    • SlytherinKnight

      CRAZY FAN THEORY ALERT!!!! What if not all of Voldemort was exorcised from Ginny when Harry destroyed the Diary, and then when Albus was conceived, that small part of Tom Riddle was merged with Albus, and that’s why Albus is considered the Cursed Child. Because he is cursed by the remnant of the Dark Lord that his parents (mostly father) destroyed.

      Probably just a theory but who knows

      • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

        So would that mean Ginny was a semi-Horcrux this whole time? That would suck for her.

      • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

        Snaps for creative thinking! I would like for Ginny’s experience with the diary Horcrux to be explored more, since she never spoke in depth about it during the books, which seemed like a big oversight/missed opportunity.

      • Lisa

        But wouldn’t that mean Voldemort was still alive since he would still be tethered to life by a soul fragment? Great theory, though! And probably not too far from the truth, it makes sense that it would be something like that.

  • IlvermornyAlumna (RoseLumos)

    Today I thought “wow, it’s Friday, the next episode will be out next week so I better read the next chapter- oh wait, never mind.”

  • Abu Lewally

    I dislike the fact that one of the greatest wizards of all time was killed by the luckiest little boy alive. Lord Voldemort deserved better….he got sucker punched with the power of LOVE. I love the books but this has always bothered me..I’d like to know what you think about this comment #teamvoldy

  • RMG-W

    Maybe a long time too late to enter this discussion, but I wanted to mention that in a very strong headcanon of mine (which is such a headcanon I forget it isn’t real!) Rose Granger-Weasley was one of twins, her brother – who was stillborn – was named Arthur Harry and in my head that is why there isn’t an Arthur, it is because there was but he didn’t make it to the platform with his sister.