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Episode 225: PoA 10 Revisit – They Don’t Make Them Like This at Hogwarts

Broken broomsticks, Maps, parchment, secret passages, and secrets abound as Harry leaves the safety of Hogwarts Castle behind for an afternoon in Hogsmeade. Join hosts Kat, Kristen, and Alison, with MuggleNet staffer Katy as they solemnly swear they they are up to no good and descend down the one-eyed witch’s hump in chapter 10 of Prisoner of Azkaban, “The Marauder’s Map.”

On Episode 225 we discuss…

→ Layering Halloween 1981
→ Why didn’t  Hermione reveal her knowledge sooner?
→ Where the Remus/Lily friendship idea came from
→ The power of dementors
→ Lupin doubts his abilities, and we’re all sad
 Pottermore listened to Episode 24
→ What happened to the Map? It’s NOT in Cursed Child!
→ Who exactly does the Map show?
→ Welcome to the magical world of Hogsmeade
→ “Those ain’t yo mama’s shoes!”
→ Sirius question: Would he go to the Dark side?
Join us in Diagon Alley on September 1st!

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RECAP: EPISODE 224

On this recap we discuss…

→ Snape’s ideology
→ The lasting effects of childhood and choices
→ Snape’s advantages
→ Let’s try some gender-bending!

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  • BloodCharm

    Harry may have somebody trying to kill him each year, lol, but like I said in the original comment, he has Ron and Hermione with him most of the time as well as Hargrid, Fred & George, Neville, Ginny, liking him a lot through it. Snape to me only has one close friend ,Lily, and there is a division between them from the moment they are sorted into different houses. As to the Slytherin friends question, like another commenter said, here is where the debate becomes problematic because of the lack of information surrounding the dynamics of Snape’s relationships with his Slytherin friends. Here is some of the evidence about Snape’s friends that we see in the books:

    1. Sirius’s comment in GOF that Snape was part of a Slytherin gang that included pretty much all Death Eaters. Some of these people, mainly the Lestranges, may have been put in error given Rowling’s admitted weakness with math(Bellatrix, born in 1951, is either 9 or 8 years older then Snape and graduated in either 1969 or 1970), but despite Sirius’s dislike of Snape, I find him to be an unbiased source here and yes, that includes the curses comment.

    2. Narcissa’s comment on him being Lucius’s old friend and Lucius clapping him on the back after being sorted into Slytherin in 1971. This might not be that material though, because Lucius’s birthdate was either after September 1st 1953 or in 1954, making him either 6 or approximately 5 and a half years older then Snape, so Lucius was a 6th or 7th year at this time. From what we see in Harry Potter, students normally hang out with students in their year and Lucious is so far ahead of Snape in age and in schooling, I don’t know how close they could have been in Hogwarts at this time. Still, Lucius could have been a role model for Snape during his first or first two years of Hogwarts and afterwards(Although Sirius was mocking him as he said it, he did call Snape Lucius’s lapdog, that could mean something there), they could have developed a close relationship as Death Eaters.

    3. Avery and Mulciber being noted as Snape’s friends by Lily. Lily says in The Prince’s Tale “I don’t like some of the people you’re hanging around with. I’m sorry, but I detest Avery and Mulciber”. We know that this occurs in their fifth year at school(Snape mentions that they keep sneaking out at night and other stuff about Lupin), and this jumps out at me because it seems fairly recent as if Snape wasn’t friends with them before , even though she does say later “I’ve made excuses for you for years”, which could refer to anything about Snape’s character/conduct, not necessarily his friend choices. Obviously, they grew apart over time and this implies to me that Snape’s pro Death Eater leanings didn’t really start to come to fruition until this year which puts the greatest strain yet on his and Lily’s friendship. To me, this implies that Snape has just recently become accepted as an equal in the baby Death Eaters gang and he was not a prominent friend of theirs before this or Lily would have surely known about his friends beliefs/conduct and would have berated him more for it.

    Going on to another topic, Lily’s comment that “But you call everyone of my birth Mudblood Severus” could be just assumption on her part since she felt that Severus had more or less confirmed that he was planning on joining Voldemort along with his friends, which could have influenced her last statement to him, but this does seem unlikely given the evidence as noted above. From what I gather though, he calls muggle-borns mudbloods in order to fit in with their beliefs and since Lily is someone he loves, he feels guilty about doing it. I don’t doubt he dislikes muggles and that he most likely did believe Muggle borns to be inferior before he met Lily, but I think his feelings are always mixed on this because of his love for Lily. So no, I don’t believe it is solid fact that he was 100% in line with the Death Eaters cause before he heard the Prophecy and I feel like the subject is debatable.

  • BloodCharm

    Kat, the Dementor quote you were remembering is “If it can, the Dementor will feed on you long enough to reduce you to something like itself….. Soul-less and evil. You’ll be left with nothing but the worst experiences of your life”. To me, this does not mean the Dementors Kiss because it says you’ll be left with some memories, the worst of your memories. The Kiss leaves you as “an empty shell” “no sense of self, no anything”. The use of the word “Soul-less” I feel is just that: a choice of words. This process mentioned in the quote seems gradual to me and we know the Dementors Kiss is not gradual at all- quite the opposite. It seems as if you become simply “evil” by default since there is nothing left in you, but horrible things. If that means evil, I think it means evil without intent, you know? Just a horrible sense of self. This process will most likely drain a wizard of their powers so they can’t do any magic at all, so no wandless bursts of magic like Harry does to Aunt Marge, and a Patronus requires a wand to cast as Sirius indicates later in the books( Quote: “I had no hope of driving them away from me without a wand”). I don’t feel that this process is permanent, but as long as a witch or wizard is in the custody of the Dementors, it remains in place.

    I think the Map does show everybody on it, it might be a lot of people, but they might just be tiny dots that only show the names of the person if one looks at the dot itself? Based on the book evidence, I’m probably wrong though. Either way, it might be a lot of people, but I’m sure the Map is enchanted well enough for it to show the people’s dots clearly.

    • SwishAndFlick27

      About the map, I think that the dots is a movie-ism. In the book it says that there are actually figures of the people on the map. Dumbledore is seen pacing his office, Mrs Norris is seen sniffing the ground, and Harry is seen taking out a wand and tapping the statue. That seems a bit too specific for everyone to be dots. Unless people are dots and then turn into figures when the map user looks at them directly? If that’s the case then I agree that the map could show everyone as dots, but I don’t think it could with figures. Think about the Great Hall at meal times. Hundreds of figures piled on top of each other would get very confusing I think.

      • frumpybutsupersmart

        Yeah this always confused me, as they were described as ‘dots’ in the book but then they were shown doing things. I think it’s likely that little ‘figures’ appear when they needs to (like when the Harry on the map was tapping the statue with its wand) but most of the time they’re just dots. A lot of the other actions could just be inferences on Harry’s part – Dumbledore’s dot moving up and down his office obviously means he’s pacing, and Mrs Norris pausing in a corridor means she’s probably sniffing something.

        Another thing: in HBP, when Harry can’t see where Malfoy is on the map, he mentions that he might just be lost among the ‘thousands of dots’ that are on the map. So I think they are dots, and that everyone is shown at all times. It would be hard to find one specific person on the map, but in the course of their mischief-making the Marauders wouldn’t have wanted to find specific people – they would more likely have been checking if the coast was clear where they were. So they would just ignore the masses of people anyway.

        • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

          Ooo, good call on the HBP quote. I also did a little more reading on the Pottermore article and it specifically says “The magic used in the map’s creation is advanced and impressive; it includes the Homonculous Charm, enabling the possessor of the map to track the movements of every person in the castle…” So yeah, looks like everyone is shown at all times.

          Also of note, I looked up Homonculous and its close relative “Homunculus” means “little person” 😀 Gotta love the care that went into naming these spells :)

          • travellinginabluebox

            I always wondered if there was a “highlight” function for the map, that Harry just wasn’t aware of. Maybe you just needed the right command, like “Show me Argus Filch” or it involved a spell, but it most certainly would have been practical.

    • frumpybutsupersmart

      I agree with what you’re saying about Dementors affecting people. We already have an example of people’s emotions affecting their powers – Tonks struggles with her Metamorphosing while she’s depressed in HBP, then regains control of her powers once the depression lifts. I think it’s a similar thing with Dementors, as they induce a powerful depression, which lasts as long as a person is exposed to them. The prisoners in Azkaban wouldn’t have been able to use their powers, even without a wand (as BloodCharm said) while they were there, but as we see with Sirius and the escaped Death Eaters, their powers return once they are removed from the Dementors’ influence.

  • BloodCharm

    Anybody guess how old Rosmerta is? She could have been 6-10 years older then James and Sirius’s age, just working as a waitress and someone else(possibly one of her parents?) could have been the bartender? I picture to be around 40 at the time of this chapter, so she probably was born in 1954 or earlier?

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      That’s as good a guess as any :)

  • BloodCharm

    Dumbledore gave the Ministry information that Black was the Secret Keeper, so Fudge knew about it. McGonagall and Hagrid knew that they were under protection and could have told both of them about the Fidelius Charm, and also stated that he was the Secret-Keeper. Or like you said, oh wait, you guys just remembered! I’m listening to the podcast right now, lol.

  • BloodCharm

    Hmmm, it is kinda bizzare that they are hiding in a Wizarding community where Dumbledore used to live with no protection and let an old friend of Dumbledore’s drop by. I tend to believe that the Fideliius Charm was cast earlier and the week thing is a mistake on Fudge’s part or on Rowling’s part, lol. Remember that Lily’s letter is sent around August of 1981, because there are so many references to Harry’s birthday in it. Maybe Pettigrew actually did waste time in telling Voldemort out of reluctance and guilt and he may have used Occlumency to block Voldemort from finding out he was the Secret Keeper? I personally am in the camp that believes that Pettigrew is a more powerful wizard then is let on and is in some ways more of an opportunist and more lazy then cowardly. Pettigrew’s loyalty to his friends may have held out for a short time, possibly.

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      Oooo good call about the letter having references to Harry’s birthday! That must be why I thought it had been in place for much longer than a week. I like your idea that Fudge made a mistake. It wouldn’t be his first 😉

  • frumpybutsupersmart

    On the discussion of the origin of Dementors – I always thought that Dementors had been around as long as people had. As soon as people had the ability to feel absolute despair, Dementors would have manifested, ready to feed on it. The language in the Pottermore article about Azkaban says that ‘the least frightening part was that the place was infested with Dementors’ – implying that Dementors already did exist, just not in the same concentration as on Azkaban.

  • frumpybutsupersmart

    I think the Ministry would have been fine using Muggles for testimony about Sirius and Peter’s confrontation – they may not have understood that it was magic, but they would have heard what Peter said and seen the subsequent explosion. There’s nothing in the HP universe that states that Muggle brains can’t comprehend magic when they see it (unlike in, say, Percy Jackson). Unless something has been specifically enchanted against Muggles (Hogwarts appearing as a ruin, or Muggle-repelling charms), there’s no reason they would misunderstand what they saw. They saw Peter cornered by a furious Sirius (who had been tracking him down), then Peter shouted that it was Sirius’ fault James and Lily died, then the street exploded. That’s all the Ministry would have needed to arrest Sirius, as all the evidence pointed at him. Also, apparently Peter blew up the street with his wand behind his back, so any magical witness (who didn’t know that Peter was an Animagus) would have assumed that Sirius caused the explosion anyway.

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      I completely forgot that Peter was shouting that everything was Sirius’ fault so that all of the surrounding Muggles would hear! Thank you for the reminder :)

      • BloodCharm

        And Sirius also says that the explosion happened right before he was about to cast a curse on Pettigrew, so he had his wand raised, another reason why the Muggles thought it was him.

        I just want to know he tracked him down in the first place and why Pettigrew hadn’t transformed and hid himself well before Sirius could track him down? Also, I don’t know if there’s any confirmation on this, but did this happen in London for sure?

        • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

          Ahh, thanks for the reminder about the wand. Clearly I need to re-read this entire book 😀 So yeah, I guess they did have to modify the memories of the Muggle witnesses so that they saw a gun instead of a wand, or something like that.

          I suppose Peter always planned to frame Sirius and that’s why he wasn’t hiding. But dang…that just makes him that much colder. It’s bad enough that he turned on Lily and James, but then to frame Sirius too? Though, it was probably just to save his own neck because he knew Sirius wouldn’t rest until he was dead.

          • frumpybutsupersmart

            Agreed. I reckon Pettigrew just wanted to make extra-sure that no one would believe Sirius about who was really the Secret-Keeper. Also he wanted to fake his death so that neither the Order nor the Death Eaters would come after him – cause remember, Sirius said that the Death Eaters that were in Azkaban were shouting about how ‘the double-crosser double-crossed them’. In sending Voldemort after the Potters, Pettigrew became Voldemort’s downfall and the Death Eaters wanted revenge for that.

          • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

            Oh right!! I forgot that he got blamed for Voldemort’s downfall too! It’s a wonder he ever came out of hiding…lol

  • DisKid

    My thoughts on the candy in the wizarding world are the way wizards grew up getting boo boos. Especially at Hogwarts where it can be assumed they always have an advanced nurse. In the muggle world; you get a broken bone it takes a while to heal and you could end up with permanent damage to your bone, you get a cut and you could get an infection which could hurt you further, you eat something funny you could get food poisoning. In the wizarding world, per JK Rowling, they can fix all of this. They’re not as worried about their bodies as muggles are when it comes to what they ingest. Most wizarding boo boos are a quick fix so it’s not as concerning to them. The wizarding candy is basically the wizarding world taking advantage of the fact that they can go farther with candy than muggles can.

    I get the hosts point that having a hole burned in your tongue, while it can be fixed, it doesn’t sound like a pleasant experience. Then again, there’s warheads candy in the muggle world that can give you a sore on your tongue for a while; that doesn’t stop muggles from eating them due to the taste and they’re not dangerous to eat. Perhaps since the acid pops taste so good (we’ll assume anyway) and a hole in your tongue can be fixed, the wizards who eat it see the hole in the tongue as a small price to pay for a great taste. On the frogs, I can guarantee there’s plenty of muggle folks who would eat that if it actually existed lol! I’m sure there’s squeamish wizards who hate the idea as much as the hosts, but I guarantee you there’s muggles out there who would binge on those frogs just for the feeling of them jumping around in the stomach. If there’s muggles like that (which there are) there’s gotta be wizards like that.

    • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

      Yeah, there’s no shortage of horrid novelty candies in the muggle world; that Wizards would take it to another level of terrible isn’t surprising. I was once given a “tequila” flavored lollipop with a scorpian inside. And remember the gigantic jawbreakers? We would lick our tongues raw trying to finish them but nobody ever did and they’d just sit in our bedrooms collecting dust, until our parents made us throw away those gross monuments to candy failure. Do they even still make those?

      • DisKid

        At my local candy store they sell candy with a scorpion in it! I remember those gigantic jawbreakers. I wouldn’t ever try them because I wasn’t a jawbreaker fan, but I saw people trying to break their teeth eating those. You can still get those jawbreakers, but they lost their popularity. Probably due to the high dentist bills they caused!

      • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

        A tequila flavored lollipop with a scorpion inside?!? Wow, that is hardcore! lol

  • DoraNympha

    What happened to the Map? I hope it stayed intact whatever it was. I do wonder about the Firebolt, on the other hand.

    It just fell. A Firebolt. A real Firebolt.

    Has some unsuspecting Muggle been just using it as a regular broom? For cleaning?!?!

    • BloodCharm

      Pretty funny!!

      • DoraNympha

        Like Angelina, I’m channelling Wood’s spirit. I can take Hedwig dying but where’s the FIREBOLT?

        • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

          For real though. I’m kind of surprised that Harry and flying on a broom never had a big final moment in DH. We get the whole catching the wand “with the unerring skill of a seeker” bit, but Harry never mounts a broom after Half-Blood. It is sad, no finale for the Firebolt.

          • DoraNympha

            And it’s like, it would have been the best decoy, too. Surely, the real Harry is the one riding a Firebolt like the national team material Seeker he is, right? Snape wouldn’t have had a chance of snipping off George’s ear if he had been on Harry’s broom. I suppose the Snitch made up for this absence throughout the book but come on. It’s such an odd logistical error that I feel like the lines about where the Firebolt was were added as an afterthought before the draft was sent to the editor. It’s THE FIREBOLT. Sirius got it for him. Sirius! Gosh, Harry.

          • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

            That said, I suppose it makes an impact on the whole loss of childhood and innocence thing, for the Firebolt to suffer the same fate in tandem with Hedwig. Even the exceptional Firebolt can’t help Harry anymore :( It does seem like quite a waste not to have put someone on it as decoy though. Also, it’s silly that Fred and George would be on their old Quidditch brooms, though we don’t really know what they were using I guess. They could’ve bought brand new brooms with their WWW’s profits. Wouldn’t it have been smarter of the Order to acquire top-notch brooms for this mission anyway? And if they didn’t, sidelining the potentially best broom at their disposal seems REALLY dumb.

          • DoraNympha

            THIS! And come to think of it, Harry knew he wasn’t going to return to Hogwarts for his seventh year, right? So why didn’t he give the map to Ginny? Something to remember him by AND practical, isn’t it? They can’t have known the Ministry would have fallen and Snape would have become Headmaster by the new year but Harry definitely wasn’t going to be at Hogwarts. Either these are badly written or Harry is canonocally a little dim about his resources: he has long passages wishing for an adult who is well-versed about dark magic in GoF but it does not occur to him to write to Remus, he forgets about the knife Sirius gave him, he forgets about the two-way mirror…….. Harry, who never had anything before Hagrid took him to Diagon Alley, should be better with his possessions.

          • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

            Oh that’s a great point about giving Ginny the map. You’re right, Harry can be such a doofus when it comes to managing the resources at his disposal. Though perhaps being in protective mode, he might have thought giving Ginny the map would only encourage her to do risky things. Personally, I’d think she’d probably be pretty smart with it and it would help her accomplish the things she clearly would have done anyway, with or without the Map’s help.

  • Minerva the Flufflepuff

    DO AMERICANS REALLY NOT HAVE REDCURRANTS?
    That’s the saddest thing I’ve heard today :(
    You’re missing out!

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      According to Wikipedia:
      “Ribes triste, known as the northern redcurrant, swamp redcurrant, or wild redcurrant, is an Asian and North American shrub in the gooseberry family. It is widespread across Canada and the northern United States, as well as in eastern Asia (Russia, China, Korea, Japan).”
      So there is a similar species in North America, but only in northern NA. That makes a lot more sense as to why it was in Anne of Green Gables as that was set in Canada :) Can any of our northern NA listeners confirm this?

      • Minerva the Flufflepuff

        Ah, that does make more sense. The ones I know (and I assume that were in Fudge’s drink), are these ones: http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/food/ic/food_16x9_608/foods/r/redcurrant_16x9.jpg
        They grow wild all over the place and I spent many summers as a child picking them. They’re really sharp though, even more so than raspberries – think under-ripe brambles.

      • DisKid

        I’m from Minnesota, now in Florida, and yes I can confirm there’s redcurrants up north but not down south. I actually used to play with a family that had red currants growing in their backyard. We used to eat them lol. Side note: I don’t know if perhaps they taste differently over in England, but my British mates have told me they are too tart to eat wild and asked if I was sure it was redcurrants I was eating. They tasted good to me! On the other hand, I love tart things lol the more tart the better!

      • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

        Michigander here. I was surprised that no one on the show was familiar with currants, although I adored your AofGG reference :) I’ve mostly had currants in dried form in scones and other baked goods, but they do grow wild and are occasionally farmed here (Michigan is apparently one of the best places to grow black currants). But yes, I think that currants and gooseberries are more of a northern thing.

        • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

          I must admit I have only read a few chapters of AofGG but I have watched the Canadian mini series from the 80s over and over and over…it’s one of my comfort movies 😀 I recently visited Prince Edward Island with my husband for our anniversary and we visited almost all of the AofGG and L.M. Montgomery historical and tourist spots. It was FANTASTIC 😀

          • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

            Ah, I’m so envious! What a lovely anniversary trip. PEI is definitely on my list of dream trips — it’s so beautiful. My best friend and I were obsessed with the Kevin Sullivan/Meagan Follows miniseries growing up and still quote it all the time, own the remastered boxed set, soundtracks, coffee mugs with Gilbert’s face on them (R.I.P Jonathan Crombie) … I also like the books, but have only read AofGG and Anne of Avonlea. Road to Avonlea is also a fantastic series. They are totally comfort viewing.

            I actually think they changed the currant wine scene a bit from the book to the miniseries (which is odd since they don’t change many things — not like the HP movies!). In the book, Marilla says she stopped making her currant wine three years ago because the minister didn’t approve, but I seem to remember her being rather proud of it and saying that even the minister liked it in the movie … I need to watch again soon to confirm <3

          • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

            It really is beautiful. It was still pretty chilly the first week of June. If we go again, I think we’ll pick the fall. But I wouldn’t trade the experiences we had :) I have the remastered Blu-Ray and soundtracks too! But OMG now I need a coffee mug with Gilbert’s face on it more than anything…lol 😀 RIP JC indeed :'( I was heartbroken when I heard he had passed away. He’ll always be the only Gilbert for me. And Meagan will be the only Anne. I’ve tried the remakes but they just don’t do it for me.

            And you’re right! In the mini series she definitely brags about her currant wine and the fact that the minister was not opposed to having some himself on occasion! 😀

            Though, according to a friend of mine who has read many of the books, the sequel when Anne becomes a teacher with the creepy Pringles is completely new and not in the novels. So some is very true to the source material and some is not. Though, I love it so much that I really don’t care…lol

          • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

            The fall would be stunning! Horray for kindred spirits who love Anne!

            They are the only Anne and Gilbert for me, too. I feel sorry for any young people today whose first exposure is one of the remakes. One does not attempt to recreate a masterpiece.

            I consulted my friend who has read nearly every novel L.M.M. wrote, because I was curious about what they changed (isn’t it great that we have Hermione-ish friends to do the reading for us?) She said that part is in Anne of Windy Poplars — Anne is engaged to Gilbert, who is in med school, and she is a teacher and principal of an academy plagued by Pringles. But they do add some things in and change details (not sure that Emmeline Harris’ father, Morgan, is in there). I just need to read them all and finally become worthy to possess my Gilbert mug!

            Oh, and I checked my “Cooking with Anne of Green Gables” Edwardian cookbook to see if it has a recipe for currant wine. Sadly, it does not, but it does have the raspberry cordial and a black cherry and red currant jam that sounds delicious!

          • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

            Hooray for kindred spirits indeed! 😀

            And AMEN re: not attempting to recreate a masterpiece! *claps*

            OMG yes! It’s magnificent to have a Hermione of my own that I can consult about such things 😀 I’m going to see “my Hermione” tomorrow and give her all of the Anne souvenirs I got her while on PEI 😀 I can’t wait to see her freak out. That’s awesome to know that that part is from Windy Poplars! Maybe she never got that far. I’ll ask :) And I need to finally read them all too. Now that I love audiobooks so much, perhaps I can find a good version to intersperse around my Potter rereads 😉

            I love that you have that cookbook! It’s a shame that it doesn’t contain a recipe for currant wine but I love that it includes the others you mentioned 😀 They sound delicious!

          • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

            Aw, you are a thoughtful friend! It’s fun to share the Anne love. Enjoy. And let me know if you find a good audiobook version.

    • travellinginabluebox

      In related news, Americans apparently also don’t have kettles or eat soft-boiled eggs, thus not knowing egg cups… At least, this is what we found out in our MN staff chat leading to over 200 comments 😉

      • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

        Ugh, my husband loves poached eggs and other runny nonsense. Not me! lol But I do have an electric kettle…because tea 😀

        • travellinginabluebox

          Tea is life :-)

      • Minerva the Flufflepuff

        Kettles aren’t super common in Germany either (where I grew up!).
        However, egg cookers are – the Germans have a whole device just for cooking eggs perfectly: http://www.kmart.com.au/wcsstore/Kmart/images/ncatalog/f/9/42273479-1-f.jpg

        • travellinginabluebox

          As a German I cannot attest to your statement, that Kettles aren’t common. Especially electric kettles can be found in every household nowadays. But I suppose times change.
          And yes we do love our soft-boiled eggs :-)

          • Minerva the Flufflepuff

            Maybe it’s a generational thing? My family and my friends’ families didn’t have kettles 10-20 years ago (my mum has one now but never uses it)

          • travellinginabluebox

            Yeah you’re probably right. My grandma also doesn’t use a kettle, but everyone my age or even my parents are definitely using them.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Haha. I have a kettle but that totally comes from my Korean roommate in college. She had one in our dorm and I loved it. Soft boiled eggs on the other hand…my mother had egg cups in a cupboard when I was a kid and I had no idea what they were for until I was like 15.

        • travellinginabluebox

          Yeah, you people just don’t eat runny eggs, but I personally prefer scrambled eggs as well. Interesting how small things can be so different accross countries :-)

          • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

            I think plenty of people here love runny eggs, I do at least. I think it’s just more common over here to make them fried in the pan vs boiling/poaching. Fried easy in a bit of butter over toast, mmm. I’m pretty partial to a nice soft scramble too, though. One thing I do know from working in a restaurant that serves brunch- people are INCREDIBLY picky about how their eggs are cooked. “I’d like it over-easy but like, slightly hard, but not quite medium…” I hate working brunch. lol

          • travellinginabluebox

            Oh wow, that is some specific instructions. I would just quit there 😀

      • SnapesManyButtons

        American here. Many years ago, before microwaves became common, a lot of people had a kettle you heat on the stove. Now most people just heat water in the microwave if we need it. My sister is a tea snob so she has an electric kettle, but I’ve never used it. Also, I’ve seen egg cups in stores, but have never used one or eaten a soft boiled egg. And I don’t even know what a redcurrant is.

        • travellinginabluebox

          Yeah, that is what we realised as well. However, as a tea trinker I can only confirm that you need properly bioled water for a good tea and if you are doing just one cup of tea, or even a whole can the kettle is much faster than the microwave. I also like to use the kettle for when I cook pasta, so I don’t have to boil all the water on the stove and can save some time and energy, but use the boiled water from the kettle.
          That said, I also don’t own a microwave and was raised without one.

          • SnapesManyButtons

            We usually only make one cup of tea at a time, if it is hot tea. What we drink here in the south is Iced Tea and we make that by the pitcher. My mom used to heat the water in a pan on the stove then pour it into a pitcher with teabags (there are large ones for this purpose) and then mix in the sugar and fill with water. Sweet iced tea is the official drink of the south and there was literally always of pitcher of it in the refrigerator when we were growing up. I think saying you don’t have a microwave is as shocking to Americans as saying you don’t have a kettle is to the British. We use the microwave every day!

          • travellinginabluebox

            Haha, it is shocking to most Germans as well, believe me.
            Still using an eletric kettle to heat water is much faster than a pan or pot on the stove, which is why I couldn’t live without one, but easily can live without the microwave. Because re-heating meals can also be done in a pan on the stove 😉
            It really is fun to see how different cultures use different kitchen tools.

    • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

      The family I lived with over there always had redcurrant squash. I drank the crap out of it. I had no idea you were supposed to dilute it with water the first time I tried it though. That was intense.

  • AussieRagdoll

    The Map show more than just who you want to see. Remember that Harry is able to see Barty Crouch on the map (but not that it was Barty Crouch Jr).

  • BloodCharm

    I was just re-listening to Goblet Of Fire and I was wondering: Why don’t the Durmstrang students have any girls? Are any girls mentioned at all? Of course, the book splits the school’s students into boys and girls, but in the book, Beauxabatons has male students. And do they attend classes with the Hogwarts students? It seems like a waste of a school year to just come to for the Tournament and not do any class work, although fun none the less lol.

    • frumpybutsupersmart

      Yeah there’s a Durmstrang girl mentioned in that scene where Karkaroff first runs into Harry – she’s standing next to the boy with food all down his front. And according to Pottermore, Durmstrang was founded by a witch. It’s only the movies that force these weird gender stereotypes on these countries.

      As for schooling, I guess the dozen or so kids from each school gets tutored by their Headmaster? If they didn’t that would make Karkaroff and Maxime’s lives pretty boring that year too.

      • BloodCharm

        I don’t think so, Harry comments in GOF that he sees Fleur in the corridors a lot- I just realized that since all the students Maxime and Karkaraoff brought with them were most likely 17 or older because of wanting a wide selection for the Goblet to choose a champion from, they must have been 6th and 7th years, we don’t see them in Harry’s classes because he’s a fourth year.

        • frumpybutsupersmart

          That’s a good point, maybe it works more like an exchange trip so even if you don’t become Champion it’s still a rewarding experience.

          No problem 😀

  • Griff

    I just want to make a point in favor of all students/teachers/people being on the Marauders’ Map.

    In DH, Harry is searching amongst a sea of dots, marching toward the Room of Requirement to evacuate, as he looks for Ron and Hermione. That’s a time when he definitely doesn’t need the extra noise of the map! Similarly, in HBP, he searches the many dots of the map for Malfoy.

    I could see a point being made that only when the ones you seek are unavailable that more dots show up, but I feel like Harry would have made that point before– “Gah! Why so many dots?”

    I think the ease with which Harry uses the map is most likely the fact that most humans are really good at discerning relevant stimuli. We cut out white noise, look in areas that make sense to look (Harry thinks to check Gryffindor dormitories for Ginny first), and often can scan images fairly well. Especially someone like Harry, with the eye of a Seeker.

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      “Especially someone like Harry, with the eye of a Seeker.”

      BOOM! Love it 😀

    • Roonil Wazlib

      Plus, he’s often relying on the map at night when most of the castle is deserted, or to check a certain corridor (like when using the One-eyed Witch secret passage). He doesn’t often use it to search the entire castle for a specific person, except in the examples you mentioned :)

  • Definitely Dodgy

    Re: “hit wizards” — I think we hadn’t heard the term ‘Auror’ in the series at this point, so I’m more inclined to believe that Rowling hadn’t come up with the term yet. Similar to the ‘Put-Outer’ which was more elegantly renamed as the Deluminator.

    • BloodCharm

      Aurors are dark wizard catchers as well as private investigators, who also were used as guards in various circumstances in the Second Wizarding War and possibly the first in certain situations. The the Law Enforcement squad members are more similiar to policeman or perhaps to a Swat Team.

      • UmbridgeRage

        I’m curious where you get that they are “private investigators”. I don’t recall them ever working for someone who wasn’t the government, unless you count the Order but that was as a member not as someone for hire.

        • BloodCharm

          Sorry, I misspoke- I meant that they track Dark Wizards with stealth and investigative work to catch them and eventually arrest them , instead of the kind of work that the Law Enforcement Squad does, which would be to arrest both common criminals and also be called to emergency situations like the one with Sirius.

      • Definitely Dodgy

        Ah, good point! I forgot there had been multiple references to the Law Enforcement Squad throughout the books, but was pretty sure ‘hit wizard’ was only used here.. which just seems like a clunky term to me? Or maybe it’s the way Jim Dale says it in the audiobook that irks me 😉

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      I hadn’t thought of that. When do we first see the term Auror in the series? Is it in Goblet in reference to Mad Eye?

      • BloodCharm

        Yes, that’s right.

      • Definitely Dodgy

        Yep I think so. I don’t know why ‘hit wizard’ bothers me so much… it just seems like a lazy term. But maybe I’m being too harsh, this was still only the third book and aimed at not confusing young readers.

  • DoraNympha

    This chapter opened my eyes to wizarding culture: why do they always get Butterbeer or Firewhiskey when there are indeed fun wizard cocktails with tiny umbrellas? Flitwick, my man, living the life. And Rosmerta’s shoes: why is she so severely mischaracterized in the film? Also, I don’t think you have to worry about not finding a name in the sea of dots: if you tap a photo, its subjects move aside to let others in the front, so the map must help the user use it as they need to.

    • BloodCharm

      Julie Christie was quite attractive back then, and still is now for her age, lol. I mean, I’ll watch the scene from the movie and get back to you, but Christie’s always been beautiful.

      • DoraNympha

        Course she is, only, the raggedy clothes and greyish messy hair wasn’t what I would have done with the costume! She’s the barmaid teenage boys like Ron have a crush on, not the fairytale witch who lives in the woods and cooks children haha.

        • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

          Agreed, I expected her to look a bit more dazzling as well, as far as costuming. Show off some curves, ya know? Rather than covering her in that horrid furry vest thing that looks like it came from Hagrid’s wardrobe.

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      Oh I forgot about them moving aside! Do you remember which chapter that’s referenced in? (or which book for that matter…lol)

      • BloodCharm

        I think it’s in Order Of The Phoenix. Moody telling the original members of the Order Of The Phoenix to move along in the “Woes Of Mrs. Weasley” chapter, I believe?

    • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

      I was under the impression that Flitwick’s drink wasn’t actually a cocktail, just soda and cherry syrup. So essentially, a Shirley Temple. Which is adorable and fun, with the little umbrella. Perhaps tiny Flitwick can’t hold much in the way of liquor. It’s a nice contrast to Hagrid’s four pints of mead. Has anyone here ever had mead? I can’t imagine drinking more than half a pint of it in one sitting. The stuff I had was horribly sweet, and strong too, but I’ve only had the one kind.

      • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

        Love Flitwick’s drink and his excitement when Rosmerta serves it to him! The umbrella just opitomizes his quirkiness.

        I’ve had mead once and yeah, super strong. It was in Canada, so possibly even stronger because some of their drinks tend to have higher alcohol content. Makes me laugh that mead has become this hipster drink. It was always big in Hogsmeade!

        • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

          Hogsmeade’s mead was cool before mead was cool.

      • DoraNympha

        Hm, you’re right, maybe Flitwick can’t handle much alcohol but I’d like to think McGonagall can hold a glass of Firewhisky, especially when she locks herself in her study to ignore a pile of ungraded parchments on her desk and listen to a Quidditch match on the wireless instead.

        • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

          Absolutely!

  • Dementors in the movie skew our image of dementors in the books. In the books dementors do not fly. They glide across the ground, but do not rise into the air. They do not have holes in their hoods for their mouths. They wear regular hoods that droop over their heads.

    Dementors in the book are far more human than they are ghosts. They mate. They have conscious. They work for the ministry and then turn their allegiance to Voldee. Think of them like centaurs. Creatures with “Near Human Intelligence.” They speak. Fudge can speak to them. The movies make them look like ghosts but truly they are much more like hooded skeletal humans.

    • BloodCharm

      I mean, yeah, the books flesh out their intelligence more and yeah, no holes in their hoods, but I personally prefer them flying instead of just gliding and I don’t mind the holes in their hoods specially because their faces are pretty much completely covered, you can only see their mouth if it gets really close to you like it did to Harry in the Quidditch match lol. I just don’t care for the whole face eating thing they do, but that was the only way to add dramatic effect to them on a cinematic view point, I guess.

      I’m not sure which I’d find more frightening- being ambushed by Dementors in the air and then fall off my broom or fall off my broom into a whole sea of Dementors. Probably the latter lol. It was just movie Harry’s luck that they didn’t decide to follow him after he fell- maybe they had their fun and thought falling off his broom was enough? Or they were too scared that the teachers would see them if they flew lower and lost their cloud cover? Harry is pretty high up in the movie. Although we know by Hermione’s line in the next scene that they were in the grounds, Harry being so up high did lend some credibility to the theory that Harry flew up so high that he came too close to the boundaries where the Dementors are supposed to be keeping guard. As we see earlier in the film, their guarding the castle air-born.

      • The ones in the film are far more terrifying. In the books, Malfoy and his gang pretend to be dementors on the quidditch pitch. Harry attacks them with his patronus.

        If
        Malfoy can pull off a convincing dementor than they are definitely just
        skeletal people in cloaks rather than anything ghostly like they are in
        the films.

        • BloodCharm

          Yeah, but it wasn’t that convincing was it? Harry and Cho were way up in the air at the time and didn’t know any better. The people on the grounds especially Professor McGonagall knew they weren’t Dementors. As for them being more human like in appearance , their supposed to be 10 ft tall, no human is that height that often are they? Malfoy and his friends had to stand on each other in order to impersonate them.

          • Right. I’m not trying to say that they were or are human. I’m just saying that they are much more like humans than they are like ghosts as they are depicted in the movies.

    • frumpybutsupersmart

      Dementors in the books remind me of zombies that can only walk at a shuffle – they know they’re gonna get you so they don’t need to run. I know Dementors can glide faster than that, but not having them flying around being all theatrical makes them that much more creepy in my opinion.

      • Sounds like the film “It Follows.” Something is always coming towards you to kill you, but it just simply walks. No matter how far away you go, eventually it will have walked far enough to reach you again.

  • Kat, you’ve got to be exaggerating about not understanding the 3rd movie! I was 11, never read the book, and LOVED the movie! The movie was so great for me that I finally picked up a Harry Potter book and started reading for fun for the first time in my life. (started with Goblet of Fire)

    The movie doesn’t leave out THAT much important stuff. The Marauder story is something that isn’t super important.

    • BloodCharm

      I enjoy the film a lot too- I’ve just been rewatching it- It’s chock full of such great visual detail.

  • Roonil Wazlib

    Oh great now I can’t stop thinking about dementor tongues, thank you so much for putting that horrifying image into my head lol!!! D:

    • Perhaps it’s a delicacy in some countries.

      • BloodCharm

        Dementors are just misunderstood- All they want to do is have some happiness and if it can, kiss you. What’s wrong with that?

        – BloodCharm, President of SPDW(Society For The Promotion Of Dementor Welfare).

        • travellinginabluebox

          😀 Never thought I would read this

          • BloodCharm

            SPDW is making it’s thoughts known to the Wizarding Community and is filling a formal complain with the International Confederation Of Wizards against the Ministry Of Magic for it’s appalling treatment of the Dementors. Please all, sign up, grab a badge, and support them. Dementors will be clamoring to kiss you all once you do and who would deny a friendly, appreciative kiss? Please support the Society For The Promotion Of Dementor Welfare now!

            Sincerely, Blood-Charm, President Of SPDW, Society For The Promotion Of Dementor Welfare

            :)

          • travellinginabluebox

            Ok you have me convinced, where do I get these badgets?

        • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

          LOL!! This is great 😀

        • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

          Is this Noah in disguise?

          • travellinginabluebox

            Either that or someone clearly has taken to his cause.

        • Can I be treasurer?

          • BloodCharm

            Sure, we need as much help as we can get! The Dementors have tried to collect some money, but for some terrible reason, nobody wants to get near them. We’ll need all the support we need.

      • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

        Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww…LOL

  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    The idea of James Potter watching Eastenders made me laugh like a crazy person on the bus today. Thanks, this wouldn’t be the first time I’ve publicly embarassed myself in this way.

    Also, my husband told me “You’re going to be the one that pukes in Diagon Alley from drinking too much butterbeer”. I’m going to try to exercise control but yeah, guys, all the butterbeer! I’m with you Alison.

    • travellinginabluebox

      Yes, ALL THE BUTTERBEER! and all the ice cream :-)

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Omg, I forgot about the ice cream! I’m not going to want anything remotely sweet for a month after this, I suspect.

        • travellinginabluebox

          According to the MN article Gryffindors like me go straight for the sugar rush, so yeah, count me in for all the sugar and all the adrenalin 😀

  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    The conversation that Harry overhears strikes me as one that has taken place before, many times, though between different groups of these characters over different moments of time. Like, I can imagine McGonagall going to Dumbledore to be like “Seriously though, how could Sirius have done this…why?” and Dumbledore giving her particular detaiIs within that discussion. I just always assumed that each of these characters, and others, had picked up bits of information from their various connections and involvement, and over the course of these kinds of conversations were able put together the whole story. So perhaps all the details weren’t common knowledge, but the general gist of it was, with certain people able to fill in the gaps.

    As to why Sirius would be considered the last person to turn to the Dark side, I’d always assumed it was a reflection of his staunch rejection of his family’s beliefs and reputation. He worked so hard to sever those ties, it would seem rather counter-intuitive that he would change sides.

  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    Random thought that came up… Is it possible that part of Dumbledore’s motivation for borrowing Jame’s Invisibility Cloak was to keep him from being tempted to use it. I don’t think it was a just a ploy to keep it from James, he was definitely examining it to see if it was a Hallow, but I wonder if he was also being pragmatic in choosing that particular time to borrow it.

    • BloodCharm

      Probably!

    • Doesn’t Dumbledore talk about feeling guilty for taking the cloak? He says something like “What would have happened” speaking about if he left the cloak with James.

      I think Dumbledore borrowed the cloak for his own research.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Yeah, I wonder about that too,but I have no idea where Dumbledore said it, if he did.

        • metaphora

          It’s in DH in the King’s Cross scene. Dumbledore feels guilty and it is Harry who says it wouldn’t have made a difference, if the Potters had had the Cloak: “The Cloak couldn’t have made them curse-proof.”

          Well, actually, I think it could.
          If there is truth to the Hallows-story (and there obviously is in the case of the Stone), the Cloak doesn’t just hide people from sight. It also makes it impossible for Death to find you, as long as you are wearing the cloak. The fabric is indestructible. And it can hide 3 people. It could have made all the difference.

          Also, I don’t know if it is a coincidence or JKR’s genius, when Harry lets Voldemort kill him in the forest at the end of DH, Harry has the Invisibility Cloak stuffed into his robes where it covers his heart when he survives Voldemort’s killing curse…

    • StoneHallows

      I could be making this up, but I think I read somewhere that Dumbledore had just realized that the cloak was the real deal instead of an imitation, and had taken it to look at. I can’t remember if this is from the books or something else, but that’s what is stuck in my head…

    • SnapesManyButtons

      I think it was definitely part of why Dumbledore took the cloak. Certainly he wanted to see if it was one of the Deathly Hallows, but I think he might have taken it anyway. In the letter Lily wrote to Sirius she says, “James is getting a bit frustrated shut up here, he tries not to show it but I can tell – also, Dumbledore’s still got his Invisibility Cloak, so no chance of little excursions.” There’s no way James Potter wouldn’t sneak out of the house if he had the cloak and I think trying to protect him from himself is something Dumbledore would do.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Exactly. And if we were meant to believe that this is just after one week, if I were Dumbledore, or Lily for that matter, I’d worry about James getting an itch, so to speak. Also, this is an interesting idea considering all the heat Lupin takes by the fandom for leaving Tonks -both to try and join the the Trio but also in the final battle. I think that is just the thing with these guys; they NEED to be doing something proactive or they feel useless and have trouble accepting that. Same with Sirius. It’s part of why they are all Gryffindors, to my mind at least.

  • HaveABiscuitPotter

    On the recap and the discussion of a gender swapped Sanpe, we kind of see this in Cursed Child (despite how much I dislike it). We see Hermione as very Snape-like with her black robes and distaste and hatred towards children while still being a Professor.

  • BloodCharm

    Hey, I had this crazy thought: Anybody else on here Opera lovers/ Classical singers? What if Harry Potter was an Opera? What would their vocal parts be?

    Here’s my list:

    Harry: Tenor, he could have these big emotional outbursts, lol.

    Ron: Tenor, but slightly lower.

    Hermione: Mezzo-Soprano or Soprano

    Dumbledore: Lyric Baritone

    Voldemort: Tenor

    Bellatrix: Spinto Soprano

    Ginny: Soprano

    Hagrid: Bass-Baritone

    Mad-Eye Moody: Bass-Baritone

    Professor McGonagall: Mezzo- Soprano

    Umbridge: Soprano

    What do you think?

    • travellinginabluebox

      Snape: Bass-Baritone

      Luna: Soprano

      And I’d love a duet between Cho and Ginny fighting over Harry 😀

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Haha, love this thread. I’d imagine Ginny as alto to Cho’s soprano. Brilliant. I would definitly love to see a Potter opera.

  • StoneHallows

    I definitely agree that Sirius is one of the last people who would have joined Voldemort and betrayed his best friend.

    We see his family, deep into the Dark Arts and perfectly content to stay there. I always thought it was kind of a chicken or the egg ordeal – did he want to rebel so he started talking about how his family’s views were nonsense and that made him actually start to think about it and form his own opinions, or was that the cause of his rebellion?

    Either way, once he realized how backwards they were, I do think that he would have been one of the last people to go to the Dark Side – if only out of sheer stubbornness. Then, add to that who he was friends with, and out of loyalty, if nothing else, he would steer clear. I see him as a person who, once he makes a decision, needs the equivalence of a lightening strike to change his mind.

  • BloodCharm

    Umbridge is really insane huh? Re-listening to Order Of The Phoenix now and she keeps Harry in detention for over 7 hours? Like really? Detention’s should be 2 and a half hours at the most. Harry really should only get an hour since he has one every day of the week. Oh and not reporting her? If he had, she probably would have been fired. Harry really is a dumby.

  • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

    Does anyone have theories about the other secret passages leading out of Hogwarts? Purposes, origins, where the mystery passages begin and end?

    We know there are seven, including:

    – The one built for Lupin that leads from the Whomping Willow to the Shrieking Shack;
    – The one leading “through the hump” (haha) of the one-eyed witch statue to the cellar of Honeydukes, although we don’t know why this one was built;
    – One, now caved in, that begins behind the mirror on the fourth floor and presumably ends somewhere in Hogsmeade (since the twins tell Harry not to use it); and,
    – Four more, which we know almost nothing about except that Filch is aware of them.

    Since Hogwarts is a medieval castle, I’d assume several of them have been part of the castle since it was first constructed. Maybe the four mystery passageways were designed by each of the four Founders?

    The one that comes up in the Honeyduke’s cellar reminds me of how people sometimes used to make bomb shelters in their cellars during wartime. Maybe the earlier owners added it during the Grindelwald era, in case the town was ever attacked. Perhaps, rather than being a conduit *from* Hogwarts to Hogsmeade, the original purpose was to help the residents of Hogsmeade evacuate the village and take shelter at Hogwarts.

    I can’t remember if the passageway from The Hog’s Head to the Room of Requirement is created by the Room for the students or if the Room presented them with access to a passage that was already there. If it was there already, then the origin of that one may be connected to Aberforth and Dumbledore (unless the building and passage existed before Aberforth bought it and opened The Hogs Head). Also, if it is one of the seven passages on the map, does it always come out in the Room of Requirement?

    Which makes me wonder, how many of these passages did Tom Riddle discover while he was at school???

    Finally, according to the chapter, “many of them seemed to lead” to Hogsmeade, but not necessarily all of them. Could one end somewhere in the Forbidden Forest? Where else?

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      I’m really curious about the other passageways too. Maybe we’ll learn about one or two more in Fantastic Beasts! 😀 I love your theory that four of them were created by the Founders!

      I’m pretty sure that the Room of Requirement created the passage to the Hogs Head. I don’t believe it existed before.

      • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

        That’s what I thought, too, but I’m not always great at keeping the details straight! I remember an interesting discussion about that passage in the comments during the Deathly Hallows reread …

      • Rosmerta

        Same here!

  • DisKid

    Hello Alohomora! I’m very happy to say I am officially going to MuggleNet Live!! Wait til Michael meets me finds out what my actual name is hahaha

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      Your real name is “DatKid” isn’t it?? lol 😉

      • DisKid

        Lol! Wait’ll Michael finds out!

    • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

      Nice, me too! Any other listeners planning on going?

      • DisKid

        I’ll be there as me, but I’ll be wearing a Hufflepuff Quidditch Captain Shirt! And a backwards camouflage hat :)

    • Rosmerta

      Have an amazing time, everyone going to MNL
      I’ll be stuck in the UK, thinking of you eating ice cream, drinking butterbeer…!

  • BloodCharm

    22 years ago today, on August 2nd 1995, two loving, wonderful Dementors attempted to kiss Harry Potter and Dudley Dursley. And Potter sends them away with a Patronus!!! These two Dementors have been in the ICU ever since, their hearts broken. Please, stop the violence against Dementors!! -BloodCharm, President Of SPDW, Society For The Promotion Of Dementor Welfare, and head of the Dementor Intensive Care Unit.

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      LOL!!

    • Soc.forRescueofVanishedAnimals

      While my first priority is the leadership of The Society for the Rescue of Vanished and Transfigured Animals, I would like to lend support to your cause, in solidarity for all creatures misunderstood and mistreated by wizardkind.

  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    I nearly forgot, Fudge’s attitude towards Voldemort returning in this chapter is quite contradictory of where he stands in the following books. When Rosmerta asks if he thinks Sirius is trying to find Voldemort, Fudge responds with “I daresay that is his -er- eventual plan, but we hope to catch Black long before that. I must say, You-Know-Who alone and friendless is one thing… but give him back his most devoted servant, and I shudder to think how quickly he’ll rise again…” Here, he’s actually being quite reasonable about Voldemort still being out there and a potential threat. He’s actually acknowledging that Voldemort IS out there, for one thing, and that he could return to power. I’d forgotten that he ever was in that camp. Sure, he’s misguided in thinking that Sirius Black is the only reason to worry, but he isn’t burying his head in the sand about Voldemort lurking in the shadows, waiting for his supporters to return. Yet, in the course of one book we see him completely backtrack, claiming it’s all nonsense and that Harry and Dumbledore are liars, and that there’s NO WAY Voldemort could have returned. WTF, Fudge? In my opinion, he’s the biggest cowardly git in the entire series.

    • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

      … and immediately after posting this, I find out Robert Hardy has died :( He was a fabulous actor, a fascinating person, and a great Fudge (and Churchill!) RIP /*

    • BloodCharm

      Well, talking about it and actually seeing proof that it’s happened are two different things. He does acknowledge that Voldemort is believed to be still alive by Dumbledore in HBP and tells the Prime Minister that he doesn’t think he’s dangerous unless he has support behind him and yeah, he acknowledges he’s still alive in this chapter, but like a lot of things, facing his return is easier said then done. It’s also possible his trust in Dumbledore was somewhat shaken by the whole “Harry gets into the Tournament” thing and reading Rita Skeeter’s articles about Harry, as well as Dumbledore’s disagreements about the current disappearances of Bertha Jorkins, Crouch, and Frank Bryce.

  • BloodCharm

    Firstly, I’d like to say thank you for including my comment in the recap!! I am truly honored!!
    Now on to some of the points you raised in response to it:
    Snape’s childhood vs Harry’s childhood: Harry may have somebody trying to kill him each year, lol, and half of the school disliking him at various times but like I said in the original comment, he has Ron and Hermione with him most of the time as well as Hargrid, Fred & George, Neville, Ginny, liking him a lot through it. He’s also extremely famous, which yes sometimes leads to infamy and unwanted attention, but it gives him an undisputable edge over Snape in terms of like-ability and popularity at Hogwarts . Snape to me only has one close friend ,Lily, and there is a division between them from the moment they are sorted into different houses. As to the Slytherin friends question, like another commenter said, here is where the debate becomes problematic because of the lack of information surrounding the dynamics of Snape’s relationships with his Slytherin friends. Here is some of the evidence about Snape’s friends that we see in the books:
    1. Sirius’s comment in GOF that Snape was part of a Slytherin gang that included pretty much all Death Eaters. Some of these people, mainly the Lestranges, may have been put in error given Rowling’s admitted weakness with math(Bellatrix, born in 1951, is either 9 or 8 years older then Snape and graduated in either 1969 or 1970), but despite Sirius’s dislike of Snape, I find him to be an unbiased source here and yes, that includes the curses comment.
    2. Narcissa’s comment on him being Lucius’s old friend and Lucius clapping him on the back after being sorted into Slytherin in 1971. This might not be that material though, because Lucius’s birthdate was either after September 1st 1953 or in 1954, making him either 6 or approximately 5 and a half years older then Snape, so Lucius was a 6th or 7th year at this time. From what we see in Harry Potter, students normally hang out with students in their year and Lucious is so far ahead of Snape in age and in schooling, I don’t know how close they could have been in Hogwarts at this time. Still, Lucius could have been a role model for Snape during his first or first two years of Hogwarts and afterwards(Although Sirius was mocking him as he said it, he did call Snape Lucius’s lapdog, that could mean something there), they could have developed a close relationship as Death Eaters.
    3. Avery and Mulciber being noted as Snape’s friends by Lily. Lily says in The Prince’s Tale “I don’t like some of the people you’re hanging around with. I’m sorry, but I detest Avery and Mulciber”. We know that this occurs in their fifth year at school(Snape mentions that they keep sneaking out at night and other stuff about Lupin), and this jumps out at me because it seems fairly recent as if Snape wasn’t friends with them before , even though she does say later “I’ve made excuses for you for years”, which could refer to anything about Snape’s character/conduct, not necessarily his friend choices. Obviously, they grew apart over time and this implies to me that Snape’s pro Death Eater leanings didn’t really start to come to fruition until this year which puts the greatest strain yet on his and Lily’s friendship. To me, this implies that Snape has just recently become accepted as an equal in the baby Death Eaters gang and he was not a prominent friend of theirs before this or Lily would have surely known about his friends beliefs/conduct and would have berated him more for it.
    Also, why didn’t they help him more when he was bullied by James? If they really cared about him, wouldn’t they have tried to retaliate against James and Sirius? It seems to be an exclusive rivalry between Snape and the Marauders and I’m sure the Slytherins would be aware of this, they have no qualms about bullying him in public. So before fifth year, I doubt the baby death eaters cared and even then didn’t seem to help Snape in getting back at or stopping James Potter for/from bullying him. e may have been a brilliantly talented wizard, but nobody seems to know that Snape invented those spells do they? Snape may say “you dare to use my own spells against me Potter, I the Half Blood Prince, like your filthy father before you”, but does that actually mean James knew it was his spell in the first place. I don’t think so- Snape just seems disgusted by the fact that James did at all and that Harry attempted to do it and remember Harry doesn’t know that Snape is the Half blood prince until this moment.
    In conclusion, we really have no hard evidence either way, but to me, the facts point more in the direction of him being an unrespected member of the gang due to his unpopularity at the school.
    Going on to another topic, Lily’s comment that “But you call everyone of my birth Mudblood Severus” could be just assumption on her part since she felt that Severus had more or less confirmed that he was planning on joining Voldemort along with his friends, which could have influenced her last statement to him, but this does seem unlikely given the evidence as noted above. From what I gather though, he calls muggle-borns mudbloods in order to fit in with their beliefs and since Lily is someone he loves, he feels guilty about doing it. I don’t doubt he dislikes muggles and that he most likely did believe Muggle borns to be inferior before he met Lily, but I think his feelings are always mixed on this because of his love for Lily. So no, I don’t believe it is solid fact that he was 100% in line with the Death Eaters cause before he heard the Prophecy and I feel like the subject is debatable.

  • Rosmerta

    I’d better dust off my turquoise high heels! Definitely think book Rosmerta is more glamorous than film version, mainly due to the costume, as Julie Christie is very attractive.
    Great episode, loved all the giggling at the end!
    I’d forgotten that this conversation at taken place in the pub itself, as the film has it in a private room – or is that another scene?
    I wonder why Remus doesn’t tell Harry that he’s one of his father’s best friends? Did he feel excluded by James & Sirius’s close friendship?

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      The giggling at the end cracks me up every time. Kristen’s laugh is contagious 😀

      You’re right – in the film that conversation takes place in a private room while Harry’s under the invisibility cloak.

      I need to go back and reread what Lupin tells Harry about James…other than the fact that he looks like him. I don’t remember…argh!

  • MartinMiggs

    I was relistening to this episode today and you asked why nobody is remotely curious why the school puts a whomping willow on its grounds and it made me think of that meme where Dumbledore said the 3rd floor corridor is out of bounds to everyone who does not wish to die a most painful death or whatever and only Harry looks disturbed at this thought like wtf kinda school is this? I guess Hogwarts students are just used to crazy stuff being brought to Hogwarts and they just roll with the punches. Also there’s absolutely no chance Pettigrew can produce a Patronus charm to have alerted Dumbledore when Sirius went after Peter. There’s just no way he would have the skill to do it.

    • Slughorn’s Trophy Wife

      Ooo good point about Peter not being able to produce a Patronus. He wasn’t pure of heart and he certainly didn’t have “a true and confident belief in the rightness of one’s actions.”