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Here it is, my question of the week from soon-to-be-released episode four of MuggleNet's new podcast Alohomora!

In the latest chapter of our re-read "Halloween" Harry, Ron and Hermione took out a full grown mountain troll in the girl's bathroom. Now, each had to show a remarkable bit of bravery to achieve this feat, but it would seem in the Harry Potter series there are many different kinds of bravery. Consider Lily and James Potter for a moment - one runs in quite rashly to try and fend of an all powerful Lord Voldemort to protect his family, the other steps in front of a killing curse with full knowledge of its effect and even though she doesn't have to.

If we just look at the Gryffindor trio, we see again these contrary examples of courage: reckless bravery and thoughtful sacrifice. Is Jo making a comment about bravery in this series - what is true bravery - and do we rate one kind as higher than the other when, in the Potter's case, only one of those acts contributed to Harry's later Love-protection?


If you have an answer to this question, feel free to comment directly below. Some answers will be read aloud and discussed on episode five of Alohomora!

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Posted by Noah Fried on June 03 2012 11:57 AM (35 Comments)


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I think that Jo is most definitely making a point about bravery all throughout the Harry Potter series-but I don't think that she's setting one above the other. There are a few cases where bravery is done more out of cowardice-Wormtail's return to Voldemort had to have some bravery, otherwise he would have run like everyone else-but Ron is just as brave as Harry, although we don't see it as often, because Harry is the whole point of the book (Ron being there for comic relief, at least in the movies). There are countless desplays of a brave character in different situations-Snape, although (spoilers) we don't find out the love part until much later; the many Gryffindor under-age wizards and witches who faught in the Battle of Hogwarts anyway; Dobby continually coming to Harry Potter's aid, even when he knows that he will be punished (in more ways then one); and of course the Potters. In conclusion (for I realize how long this comment is), the ACTS of bravery might be very small, but for the true heroes I think the intentions are all the same.
- Elphaba26 on June 03 2012 03:03 PM



We know that bravery is very important to the writer because she made a point of sorting her principal characters in a house that stands for courage. Gryffindor is symbolized by the Lion which itself represents heart and courage. So we know right away that this is a quality that matters, but she shows us that there are many different expressions of bravery, and that it depends on the capacity of the person. What might be easy for one might take a lot of courage for another. That's why Neville is awarded points at the end of PS because standing up to your friends might take another kind of courage than fighting trolls. But real courage nonetheless. And his points are the deciding ones. Throughout the series people are faced with choices requiring courage and it's interesting to see what each one is capable of or how far they can go. Or what is the boundary beyond which they can no longer stand up against their fears. Lovegood was supportive until Luna was captured. Fear drove many to run away or do what they were told. I think Jo tries, through Harry's words and reactions, to not judge too harshly, but at the same time makes it clear that real bravery means the willingness to exceed your comfort zone to do what is right even when there is much to lose.
- nana on June 03 2012 05:14 PM



I believe that J.K Rowling is pointing out courage and bravery as very important since it is seen throughout the entire series whether it's through Gryffindor house or the characters of the story. I don't believe, however, that she's placing a certain type of bravery over the other, but perhaps comparing and contrasting the reasons character's are performing the brave actions. James Potter, for instance, rashly ran towards Voldemort simply because he wanted to give Lily and Harry more time to escape. I am pretty sure he had known that he would die in the process, but ran forward nevertheless, to protect his family. Lily Potter showed bravery by refusing to step aside. She would not allow someone to kill her only child, and although she had the choice to survive, she refused to move thus creating the "love-protection". So, perhaps, "true" bravery is when a person has a sincere reason for being courageous. Throughout the series, Harry, Ron , and Hermione show their courageous, Gryffindor side through different methods. Harry sacrifices his life in order to save those he cares about such as Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Mr. Weasley, Sirius, and so many others. Ron shows his brave side simply by following Harry through their many adventures. For example, in the Chamber of Secrets, Harry determinedly walks into the Forbidden Forest to find answers about the chamber and Hagrid. Ron, deadly afraid of spiders, puts his fear aside and accompanies his best friend. Throughout the other books as well, he is seen pushing his many fears aside in order to help his best friend survive; in order to help take down Voldemort. Hermione shows bravery through the creation of Dumbledore's Army (the first time she's truly going against a teacher's authority), the creation of S.P.E.W, and like Ron simply following and helping Harry , who refers to himself as a "marked man." Other characters display bravery as well, such as, Dobby, Neville, Luna, Ginny, and of course, Snape, who risks his life everyday to do justice to Lily's memory. Others like Wormtail show their courageous side out of fear or because they are supposed or forced to such as the Malfoys. Jo doesn't criticize her characters too harshly, but perhaps she included the different forms of bravery to contrast people's hearts and thoughts and to show that true bravery is when you willingly push your fears aside, get out of your comfort zone, and do what it is right not matter the cost and no matter the consequences.
- mischief_managed17 on June 03 2012 06:57 PM



I see the trio as, in relation to what you were talking about on the podcast, a three-headed part of the same thing. They are almost one person, with one goal, Harry's goal. To describe it best, I just see the three of them, wands out and crossed, pointing at the same danger. Their courage mixed, and the courage of each one of them builds up each other. I think she is saying there is different types of courage, and when a lot of courage comes together, great things happen.
- Ali Wood on June 03 2012 09:26 PM



I think moments of bravery in many cases within the HP series is spawned from moments of adrenaline. We have all heard the stories of mothers gaining extraordinary strength in a desperate situation, and I think that perhaps 'true' bravery is the kind which is anticipated rather than being spur-of-the-moment.

I think the strength of the love protection being linked to Lily is for 2 reasons;
The first is that she makes a decicion to physically come between danger and Harry, whereas James is aiming his anger at Voldemort, rather than sacrificing himself directly to save Harry specifically.
The second reason for the love protection being linked with only Lily's act of sacrifice is that it is Snapes love for her, and his promise to make up for his mistakes that he in turn plays a huge role in ultimately keeping Harry safe. Lily sacrifices her life for Harry and Snape does the same in honor of his love for Lily.
- Allyhomora on June 04 2012 09:36 AM



There are many different qualities to bravery. I think Jo chose to display it in different ways through each of her characters and how she wants us to percieve them.

We know that Lily chooses a mothers sacrifice. She didn't have too but it is in a mothers nature to protect her child. Draco is actually a coward and can only show what I would call diluted bravery because he has Crabbe and Goyle. He chooses to take advantage of that in order to bully. I normally read bullies only as cowards who have to make themselves look better. Neville chooses to stand up to his friends. I think this is Nevilles first stepping point of breaking free of his grandma's hold. He is wanting to prove himself so he takes a risk that no one would consider doing. It is an early picture of Neville truly belonging in Gryffindor.

As for the trio. I believe their mix of bravery is actually what stops Harry from running headlong into danger. Harry is more than prepared to take a risk and not look at the consequences until after. It could be considered reckelss bravery. If Harry did not have either Ron or Hermione then he would have died almost immediately. Ron is willing to sacrifice himself in the game of chess towards the end of the book. That could have been fatal. Hermione on the other hand always keeps her cool in the face of danger. I believe this can also stop Harry from being rash.

Harry is reckless and charges straight in. Hermione prefers to work it out logically and then step in when she has to. Ron is prepared to step in the way in order to protect.

Jo sets this up as a painted picture and then maintains it consistently throughout the series.
- Rachel Mary Wearing on June 04 2012 12:26 PM



I agree with what Ali is saying. It makes sense to me that the three of them a three-headed part of the same thing. They all show different kinds of courage in this one scene (taking out the troll) but they were all facing the same exact danger and in the end they all came out on top as friends. That being said, I can see what you are talking about with the different examles of bravery. James runs foward to protect his family from Voldemort knowing full well how it could turn out whereas Ron and Harry are also wrecklessly running towards the troll to save Hermione. Also, we see both Lily and Hermione making thoughtful sacrifices to protect others. Lily sacrifices herself by giving her life to save Harry and Hermione sacrifices herself by lying to the teachers in order to save her friends. I think that the courage of all three of them just sort of combines and builds upon one another in order to achieve the same goal. If you were to take one of them out then there would have been no triumph at the end.
- CentaurSeeker121 on June 05 2012 12:13 AM



Bravery is obviously a recurring theme throughout all the books. However, I don't think at all that Jo values one kind over another- on the contrary! I believe that the examples of bravery we read about, great or small, obvious or subtle, play a key role in character and plot development. The entire Potter series manages to tie together the seemingly most small of details and characters who one would believe are inconsequential. In this same fashion, all acts of bravery play their part. Harry and Ron rushing into the bathroom to save Hermione is just as important to the story, as Neville standing up to his friends when they sneak out of the common room (again), albeit in different ways. I believe that Jo giving the reader multiple examples of bravery in the stories, goes to show that she values them all in their own way- it's not always important HOW you are brave, but that you are brave in the ways that you are individually capable. I also think that she makes a point that bravery is not always the most important act/quality of a person, but this is getting long enough already, so I'll save that for another day :)
- milanomel on June 05 2012 09:42 AM



In the particular example, I think Jo is addressing that courage can take different forms.
For Harry - it was facing the troll head on by literally leaping onto it. This could almost be symbolic of Harry's leap in accepting the magical world as a whole, we have to remember that he did not know this world existed only two months prior. In this scene Harry is not only fully embracing the magical world, but also it's creatures and his ability (be it physical, less magical in this instance) to take on a magical being. Large amount of courage for an 11 year old.
The courage for Ron seems different - he is showing his courage to starting to use the magic he is being taught. He hasn't shown much faith in his magical abilities prior to this. His instinct was to use a spell that he hadn't mastered earlier in the chapter. He had no idea what the result would be, but tried nonetheless.
For Hermione, I think the courage came at the end of the scene when she lied to the professors. Her personality is greatly defined by rules and following them. It seems that in this scene, she realized that there can be more to life than rules and that sometimes it is more important to break them. This also begins to show why she is in Gryffindor and not Ravenclaw.
- OwlSnitch5132 on June 05 2012 09:46 AM



Also, keep in mind that everything is from Harry's point of view. We see everything through Harry's eyes, which changes our opinion. We don't know the full story of all of the characters. Maybe those who seemed cowardly through those familiar round glasses really have hidden meanings, and a hidden bravery that we can't see.
- Elphaba26 on June 05 2012 10:19 PM



While Jo definitely gives us many different forms of courage, I do not think she values any one kind over another. In light of James and Lily, as Harry gets older and recalls his memories of the night his parents died, he remembers both of their sacrifices and is just as moved by each of them. Yes, at first it does seem that he recalls his mother's screams more than his father's yells, but in the end he remembers what they both did and that seems to stay with him through to the end of the series. After all, his journey to Godric's Hallow is to find more about both his parents, not just about his mother and her sacrifice. I think it's easy to concentrate on Lily's bravery the night she died because she was the parent who was actually with Harry when her sacrifice for his protection was made, so it makes sense that we would focus on her. If Lily and James' roles had been reversed that night (for whatever reason, be it choice or by force) so that James was the one dying to protect Harry, I don't think the situation would be any different or that we would consider his sacrifice/bravery greater than Lily's. Their courageousness both stick with Harry through to the very end.
- LumosNight3 on June 06 2012 12:02 AM



I guess it does show that there are levels of bravery, maybe, from courage of doing something simple but difficult to courage of facing death.

So, what is true bravery? I think all kinds or levels of bravery is true bravery... Maybe it's how much one means his bravery or his sacrifice. I mean, true bravery is something really heavy. So, I was thinking it's how much he understands and he thinks selflessly for others. Example of this, is Neville's attempt to stop the trio because he doesn't want Gryffindor to get into trouble; or maybe where Harry accepts to die in the hands of the Dark Lord to save the Wizarding world.

I think the acceptance of the consequences and how much a person means his bravery is true bravery.
- lovelle on June 06 2012 01:28 AM



I think that Jo is definitely commenting on bravery and all i's various forms. However, she is also noting that it has to be used together in order to succeed, which she often shows throughout the series through the various adventures of the Trio. However, in this example I feel like the bravery is felt by Harry and Ron, whereas Hermione's bravery is shown at the end of the scene when she sticks up for the boys to McGonagall.
For me Harry's bravery is born out of love, but as he continues through his journey his love expands to include the whole of the Wizarding World, instead of his small circle of friends. Hermione's bravery for me develops because of her friendship with Ron and Harry and is brought out of beginning to let her guard down and face the unknown. Ron, on the contrary, has to be the steady supporter for Harry. I feel like his bravery is brought out by having to jump into situations without thinking, yet still create a strategic way to get out of situations, for example, the use of Wingardium Leviosa and the Chess Game.
In all, I do not feel like there is a true definition on how to approach bravery rather it can be grown out of any experience. The world needs people who are going to step out onto the front lines and those who will be the constant supporters in the back waiting to protect lives of others. For me, Harry acts brave not only through his Love, but also as the one to jump ahead. Ron and Hermione for me are his background supporters, ready to exhibit their bravery when the tables are turned. Harry acts as the front line, Ron and Hermione act as the supports holding him together.
- HGHR_fan on June 06 2012 09:19 AM



The definition of bravery that I got from the series is this:
A brave person is one who is willing to face a situation head on even though they know the outcome may be grim.

I think that every person that shown bravery in the story was willing to sacrifice something to reach their goal and that takes guts just as well. Lily and James sacrificed their lives to save Harry, Neville took a chance on losing friendships, Hermione was sacrificing her school career to save the boys.

In that sense all the acts of bravery in the story, though varied, seemed to be on equal footing to me. I never saw one person's act more brave than another because in the end all of them have a chance at losing something or had lost something. And being able to pick themselves up afterward and move forward despite the hardships they may face because of it, makes them all the more human and I guess courageous.
The ones who lost their lives because of their acts of bravery in a way become immortalized in the series, James and Lily are remembered throughout the entire series by different people.
(I hope this all makes sense)
- wiseoldbaker on June 07 2012 01:15 PM



It makes absolute sense, wiseoldbaker. I agree.
- OwlSnitch5132 on June 07 2012 08:17 PM



I also agree with wiseoldbaker. I definitely think JK is commenting on bravery and what she believes it truly is. I also think bravery is especially present with Gryffindors, particularly the trio and other Gryffindors relatives; after all, those of Gryffindor are brave at heart. There are different types of bravery represented throughout, but I think they all tie back to one root definition, which is having the courage to knowingly do something that is necessary, and possibly rash and desperate, but may have serious repercussions. Example: Harry and Hermione plunging willingly into the dark tunnel underneath the Whimping Willow when Ron is taken by Siriur, even though they have know idea what they could be walking in to. Also, even when Nevile stands up to the trio and gets paralyzed by Hermione, he is showing and immense amount of bravery, although different than my previous mention.
- Risen-from-the-Ashes on June 08 2012 01:11 AM



I think Jo has said more than once that bravery is the trait she most admired. That's obvious. Maybe it's because it's something we can all have or aspire to. No matter our gifts or talents, bravery is a soul quality used to rise above those given talents. We strive to exceed expectations and become more than we are, and courage is at the heart of that struggle. Because no matter where you're at, it takes courage to move forward. We can't all have special talents, but we can all develop courage.
- nana on June 09 2012 03:24 PM



It is extremely apparent that Jo values bravery very highly. One thing I really appreciate about the series is that it depicts so many different shades and colors of bravery in it's larger menagerie of characters, but I do not believe that any "kind" of bravery is valued higher than any other. Both Lily and James knew the consequences of their actions and did not think for a second about whether or not to do it. They both did it out of love, devotion, and bravery. Just because one resulted in the love-protection does not diminish the sacrifice that James made. I think it's more of a "right place, right time" thing because both had a choice. Personally, I look at James' choice as just as brave as Lily's. He told them to run. He knew he wouldn't make it out alive. He could have ran (or apparated), but he made the choice to stand in Voldemort's way. But that's just me and the way I interpret. The second thing that I can really appreciate about bravery is that it is the biggest catalyst in the entire series. Everything of value that happens in the series is the result of bravery winning out over a "comfortable alternative". Harry could have chosen to not go to Hogwarts after hearing the terrible results magic had on his past and decided to stay at the Dursley's (which was familiar and safe even if it wasn't a loving environment), but he chose Hogwarts instead. Harry and Ron could have chosen to return to the common room, but they chose to find Hermione instead. Hermione could have chosen to not lie to the teachers about the "troll situation" (thus protecting her unsmudged image in the eyes of her teachers), but she instead chose to "protect" Ron and Harry instead.... I could go on forever, but I think it is clear that bravery is the catalyst of most if not all of the big turning points in the series. That is a great commentary on how the only way you accomplish things and move forward in life is through bravery and determination. Being comfortable in life doesn't accomplish things. We, as humans, must move forward and to do that we must be brave. Bravo, Jo, for wrapping a seemingly insignificant trait into something that is essential to living.
- Jojo_Squires on June 10 2012 07:52 PM



"Is Jo making a comment about bravery in this series?"

-Yes without a doubt.




"If we just look at the Gryffindor trio, we see again these contrary examples of courage: reckless bravery and thoughtful sacrifice."

Courage is not bravery, just as bravery is no courage.

Courage:
(as defined by New Oxford American Dictionary)
the ability to do something that frightens one

Bravery:
(as defined by New Oxford American Dictionary)
readiness to face and endure danger or pain

Someone who is Courageous is ready to fight for something they believe in.

Someone who is Brave is ready to fight for something they believe in and is ready to make the ultimate sacrifice.

They mean close to the same thing and are normally assumed to be the same thing but there is a big difference.

One can be Courageous and not brave, but one has to be Courageous to be brave.





"What is true bravery?"

True bravery is when one does something not for themselves but for the good of other. Whether it be someone they know or a complete stranger. True Bravery occurs when you least expect it and when you are not trying. Trying to be brave is courage, doing what is right no matter the consequences is bravery.




"Do we rate one kind as higher than the other?"

We do, but we should not, but we should at the same time. It all depends on the situation, but even then I find it rude to deem one better than another.




"In the Potter's case, only one of those acts contributed to Harry's later Love-protection?"



Now James sacrificed him self so that Lily could "get Harry and go". I think for Lily's Love protection to work she had to be the last line of defense (of the parents), so if James did not sacrifice himself then there would have been no harry potter.

I think both Lily and James contributed to harry's Love protection, Lily died and created it, and James died so she could make the protection (maybe with out knowing or maybe with, we do not know.)

I think both should be thought of as high as the other.
- LiveLaughLoveToReadHP on June 12 2012 11:12 PM



I think that Jo has made a very distinct difference in the forms of bravery here. Hermione has stepped in, facing two of the most threatening professors at Hogwarts and Quirrell, to protect Harry and Ron from expulsion when she had no need to do so and could have blamed it entirely upon them. They probably would have still won points for their "Sheer dumb luck," but would also have probably been assigned a detention for their recklessness.

Thoughtful bravery in this instance is valued a bit more highly than the rash bravery that James, Harry, and Ron show. Lily and Hermione, knowing full well what the consequences to their actions would be, step in front of danger, and in doing so both of them create a bond with Harry. Lily's protection will keep Harry safe for 14 years and spur Snape to keep Harry safe until he draws his last breath, purely out of love for Lily. Hermione's bond is more tangible. As stated in the book, how could three people go through battling a mountain troll and not become friends, and as we see throughout the rest of the book and the series, Harry Potter would be at a total loss without Hermione. Her choice to make a brave stand to keep the boys from getting in trouble creates a bond of friendship that in combination with Lily's protection keep Harry surrounded by love and a level of sheer intellect and calm that allow him to fight through the pain and suffering that Voldemort and his followers inflict upon him at every turn.

Reckless bravery, thus, is an important trait to possess but it pales in comparison to the bravery shown by those who are willing to suffer any consequence. And it is this bravery that leads Harry into the forest in Deathly Hallows, he knows full well that he must die and following his mother's example, he walks into that forest to protect his friends and to give them a chance to defeat Voldemort, even if it means they have to do so without him. His sacrifice does indeed ensure Voldemort's demise and, thanks to being the master of all three Deathly Hallows, Harry's sacrifice is rewarded. He does not die and lives to see his friends again. Meaning that the ultimate sacrifice is rewarded in the end for those willing to take it.
- SpellSword29478 on June 14 2012 01:25 PM



I think that bravery is a theme that JKR continually examines throughout the series. Although I don't think she is necessarily putting one kind of bravery above another, I think she is trying to highlight that bravery comes in all shapes and sizes and is motivated by many different situations. Fighting the troll may be the first overt show of bravery that we see from Harry but, in my option, one of the bravest things he did so far was not falling in with Draco Malfoy. Draco was obviously trying to win him over and Harry stood his ground beside Ron even though Draco made fun of him and everyone was probably looking at him. Thinking about what it was like to be 11, standing your ground like that is a pretty brave thing.
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In which I try to explain my views on prejudice in the Wizarding world, and connect it to certain areas of the muggle world as well. The category is Fantastic Beats and Where to...

A Difference in Natures by echomagic650 All Ages
This is an essay I wrote for school comparing and contrasting the lives of Harry and Voldemort. It starts with their childhoods and continues until the end of the books.

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