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Philosopher's / Sorcerer's Stone - Chapters 11 - 12

This week we're looking at two key chapters of Philosopher's Stone, Quidditch and The Mirror of Erised.

Our newly formed trio start to put the clues together as they find out that Snape was injured at Halloween. Harry plays his first game of Quidditch with unexpected drama. Hagrid's knowledge gives the trio yet another clue and they set off on the first of many research trips to the library.

At Christmas, Harry is inducted into the Weasley clan with his first real present. A mysterious note accompanies a gift from his past and an enigmatic mirror seems to offer the family he has always wanted.

But be careful! Obsession is never healthy!

Quidditch The Mirror of Erised


Posted by Rosie on June 10 2012 05:38 PM (38 Comments)


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The first comment that I would like to make is that in my 4 years as a COLLEGE student studying HISTORY, I did not visit the Library as many times as these three teenagers did while living in a magical castle.
- DumbleDoor on June 10 2012 06:04 PM



yeah, that's true, they do seem to be in there a lot. But Hermione is there, so . . . .
- MapleFeather on June 10 2012 06:21 PM



I'm really looking forward to this upcoming episode. They're two of my favorite chapters from the book!
- pottermorefans on June 10 2012 06:54 PM



This is one of the first examples of Harry's obsession with family. He's had no one during his entire eleven years, and now for the first time he knows what his parents look like. I can't even imagine what that would feel like-I don't even know how he managed it, staying so calm. If it were me, I probably would have been banging on the mirror, trying to get through the world where my heart's desire existed. Instead he just watched the mirror and stared at what would have been his family (had the prophecy been taken in another direction), and it seemed like it wasn't THAT hard to stop the addiction.
Later in the series we see how fiercely Harry protects his friends, who are the closest thing he'll ever have to family. I think that without the Mirror of Erised, he could not have wanted to hold onto his friends as fiercely, because he wouldn't have seen all that he had lost all those years ago, and wouldn't have had such a strong desire not to lose any more family members.
- Elphaba26 on June 10 2012 07:27 PM



Do you think that Harry was able to stop visiting the mirror, essentially giving up on the only connection with his true family that he ever had, because he had no memory of them? Dumbledore, who we imagine saw his family together once again whole gazing into he mirror, may have had a harder time looking the other way. He remembers what his family unit was like and mourned for it. Harry, on the other hand, never knew his parents. Therefore, he could abandon his night time excursion to the unused classroom more easily that the headmaster.
- DumbleDoor on June 10 2012 08:00 PM



These are two of my favorite chapters in the whole series!
- Ali Wood on June 10 2012 09:12 PM



Is it possible that it is the easiest to give up if what you see is something you can work for, like Ron's was? We know that Ron only went on the second night and tried to talk Harry out of going the third night. If so, and if DumbleDore is right about what Dumbledore sees, could he have put it into the final chamber of the Stone's defense in an attempt to give up the mirror "cold turkey"? And why was the mirror still there in the first place and not moved into position right away, besides letting the reader know about it? Was Harry right in the fact that Dumbledore secretly wanted him to go after the Stone?
- Kriddle on June 10 2012 09:32 PM



Wow. I had forgotten about that thought; did Dumbledore secretly want Harry to go after the stone. Well, a major point of the whole Dumbledore-Harry relationship is that of trying ones might so that they may learn and grow. But was Dumbledore grooming Harry for leadership and problem solving as early as PS? This is an interesting thought and could change the way that we look at Dunbledore.

So was our favorite headmaster trying the proverbial metal of our favorite antagonist or was he simply scrambling for a place to hide the mirror? My thought: Dumbledore was in possession of the mirror for some time now, but Harry was the first to find it and demonstrate that he understood its power. How did Dumbledore know Harry was sneaking out and using it? Because nothing happens at Hogwarts without Albus knowing about it. With countless portraits, ghosts, and magical power at his disposal, Dumbledore knows about everything that happens in the castle.

He had fallen under the mirror's spell, just like when he found the horcrux ring. But he snapped out of the mournful funk and walked away from the mirror of erised, cold turkey. His choice of hiding place just so happened to allow Mr. Potter to undergo the same test.
- DumbleDoor on June 10 2012 10:52 PM



On a more personal note; yes it is easier to give up on that which we know is achievable over that which can never be. Coming from an athletic standpoint, which my years of collegiate quidditch and wrestling qualify me for, my dreams of achieving a future goal would keep me up at night for much less time than those thoughts of goals that were in the past and I had failed. I could go crazy thinking about a goal I could have scored or a beater I could have bludgeoned from a past match but having a goal for an upcoming tournament or match was almost a reassuring thought to me.
Consider Sirius Black while in Azkaban. He did not go crazy via the dementors, as other guilty prisoners did, because the thought of redemption kept him going. Those who were guilty and had no hope lost their minds. They had nothing in their future and the reminder of that was too much for them. In the case of the Mirror of Erised, that makes Harry and Dumledore all the more heroic and strong for being able to give up on the powerful magical object at all.
- DumbleDoor on June 10 2012 11:03 PM



With how Dumbledore knows just about everything that happens at Hogwarts, is it possible that he has a map similar to the Marauder's Map?
- Kriddle on June 11 2012 01:41 AM



Wait, obsession is NEVER healthy?
But... HARRY POTTER.
- MayaIsANargle on June 11 2012 03:39 AM



Yeah, I know, we HP fans are kind of being hypocritical...we obsess, but Dumbledore tells us not to dwell on dreams! Oh dear, this is a pickle! :)
- Ali Wood on June 11 2012 12:06 PM



I like that in Harry's first Quidditch match we are given a very good picture of how our hero will embrace his quest. No matter how that broom lurches, bucks and rolls, He holds on showing great tenacity. It lets us know that as the saga unfolds, Harry will not be easily thrown off course. And I noticed that the minute the jinx was lifted, Harry went straight for the Snitch as if he'd kept his eye on it the entire time. It's lovely to read again and see how soon Jo gives us this picture of Harry's character. How he will stick to it til the very end.
In The Mirror of Erised we see the story begin to connect Harry to his past, first with the gift of the Invisability Cloak and then by seeing his parents. The story keeps coming round and round in these details like a "circle that has no beginning." I think what excited me most in this reread was when Harry opened the gift and saw the Cloak for the first time, I was aware that this is a Deathly Hallow and Dumbledore knew it when he gave it to him.
- nana on June 11 2012 05:43 PM



Oh I'm so excited to discuss the Mirror of Erised!
- cloverlover on June 11 2012 09:25 PM



I came across a question while reading chapter 12: The Mirror of Erised. Is it possible that the mirror was hidden in the Room of Requirment?
If it wasn't, then I find it a bit odd that Dumbledore would leave something like that sitting around, regardless of whether
People knew how to work it or not.
- Rachl on June 12 2012 09:31 PM



why is it surprising that Harry found the Mirror? It was a way for him to see his parents. The Mirror was not in the Room of Requirement, but in an unused classroom. remember, the students don't go wandering at night, just Harry and his friends; and during the day, they have classes. Each chapter of the book sets Harry up for success. This is what is so great about the books.
- merrymarge on June 12 2012 10:58 PM



Actually, according to Pottormore, the mirror was housed in the RoR for a century or so prior to book 1.
- Kriddle on June 13 2012 12:39 AM



I think I kind of always assumed that the Mirror of Erised was in the Room of Requirement...I mean, that's the only logical place for it to be, unless it, like the Philosopher's Stone, was in the mysterious vault at Gringotts. Or maybe Dumbledore has this giant broom closet where he keeps all of his cool stuff, just in case a student comes into his office and starts breaking his stuff?
- Elphaba26 on June 13 2012 01:44 PM



The Mirror could never have been the Room of Req because at this point in the series neither Dumbledore or Harry know the rooms exists let alone what it's powers are or how to use it. Dumbledore has used the room before, as mentioned in GOF, when he needed an emergency restroom, but never knew that it was anyhting more than a vanishing bathroom. It is likely that the mirror was kept at Gringotts. I see no reason to believe that the mirror was anywhere other than the abandoned classroom where harry found it. If it was originally at Gringotts, why did Dumbledore not place it directly in the underground chambers of the school to protect the Stone?
- DumbleDoor on June 13 2012 02:19 PM



As stated above, Pottermore says that the mirror was kept in the Room of Requirement for a century before Dumbledoor pulled it out to use it. So from that we can tell that he had to know about the room in one form or another. In Goblet of Fire when Dumbledoor was telling Harry about the room with the chamber pots he winks at Harry after. That tells me that he knew exactly what that room was and was passing that information on to Harry.

As for why the mirror was ever left in an unused classroom I can only assume that Dumbledoor wanted Harry to find it. Maybe just so Harry would be able to see his family or maybe because he knew Harry was going to go looking for the stone and would need to know about the mirror to accomplish that. I believe Dumbledoor knew way more about what was going on inside that castle than he ever let on and maybe he even had a hand in shaping the way events took place.
- Naginata on June 13 2012 08:45 PM



Naginata, thank you for correcting me! Perhaps there is still some new material on Pottermore that I have yet to memorize (...rereading that chapter in Pottermore now...) This changes my whole point of view! If it is true that Dumbledore had the Mirror hiding in the RoR until he placed it in the unused classroom then I firmly agree with Naginata that it was put there specifically for Harry to find. This also explains why Dumbledore gives Harry the cloak in the very same chapter. Although Dumbledore knows well that the Mirror can drive a man mad, he wanted Harry to have the chance to see his parents.
In POA it is this memory that provides Harry with the strength to conjure his first patronus with Professor Lupin.
Albus surely had his hands in everything that went on in Hogwarts castle.
- DumbleDoor on June 13 2012 09:46 PM



Can we assume that Dumbledore was able to connect the magical bathroom and the place where the Mirror was hidden as being what we all understand the RoR to be? Was the Mirror hidden in "the room of hidden things" along with unwanted spellbooks and vanishing cabinets? If Dumbledore understood the room, do you think he ever searched it for the Diadum Horcrux?
In DH, when Harry realizes where the diadum must be hidden, he thinks to himself that Dumbledore and Flitwick, the model pupils they were, had never strayed off the beaten path and discovered all of Hogwarts secrets. But this is incorrect, Albus did know about the special room and he also knew enough about Voldemort's quest for immortality to know that the final horcrux was likely an object of Hufflepuff's. Is it possible that he could have assumed that Hogwarts was a hiding place for one of pieces of Voldy's soul? Perhaps I am jumping the gun a bit here, but he was a brilliant man and I feel like if he knew about that room's powers, he would have searched it.

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- DumbleDoor on June 13 2012 09:55 PM



DumbleDoor-keep in mind that the room of hidden things in the RoR is HUGE. Harry only took one path when hiding his spellbook, there were dozens of other turns that Dumbledore could have taken. Which makes me think could he have used the 'Accio' spell? in HBP, Harry tries it, and a loud splashing sound can be heard, from the infiri. We assume with a prod in the right direction from Dumbledore that Voldemort placed an enchantment on it that set off little alarms in the infiri's watery homes, but is it possible that Horcruxes simply cannot be summoned? And if that's the case, then why didn't Dumbledore say that, since he has the books in his office?

Referring to DumbleDoor's P.S.-I quite agree. :D
- Elphaba26 on June 13 2012 10:13 PM



I dont think that horcruxes automatically can't be summoned, instead I always assumed that Voldemort just added an anti-summoning charm to each of his. If Dumbledore did search the room for the diadem, i doubt he would even have tried the summoning charm. Even if the room is HUGE, I think that Dumbledore would have searched every inch of it had there been the slightest chance that a horcrux was hidden in there.
I can just picture Albus walking up and down the halls of the RoR for hours on end, humming to himself and taking a few minutes here and there to examine interesting objects he comes across. Heck, even if he didn't think there was a horcrux in that room i bet he spent some time examining the room's contents.

This is not cannon, but in the RoR scene in Deathly Hallows Part 2 (film obviously) we see the Mirror of Erised among the discarded centuries worth of junk. This means it was likely destroyed with everything else in the room. David Yates, thanks for literally setting fire and ruining what my heart desires...
- DumbleDoor on June 13 2012 10:24 PM



Actually, DumbleDoor, I think he wouldn't have tried summoning it because he didn't even know what it was. It states in HBP that Voldemort may have had something from Ravenclaw or Gryffindor but Dumbledore wasn't sure which founder or what the object might have been. When Harry summons his broom in GoF, he says Firebolt not broom, so could the accio charm require a specific object? But I can see Voldemort wanting to play it safe and putting an anti-summoning charm on it, if that is even possible. I think once Dumbledore saw the mirror though he completely forgot what he was doing.
If the mirror was in the RoR that brings up the question of whether or not Tom saw it. If he did, what do you think he saw?
- Kriddle on June 14 2012 12:26 AM



What if Tom saw the mirror, and saw something so horrible that he didn't even realize he wanted-love? I can totally imagine him seeing himself; happy, with someone, handsome again. He would have probably been really mad about that...after all, Voldemort did seem to know an awful lot about the mirror in the end of Philosopher's Stone...maybe he decided to give it a go and didn't like the results?
Of course, you would think that, being Voldemort, he would have simply reduced the mirror to dust and moved on, but everyone gets late for something, right?
- Elphaba26 on June 14 2012 06:07 AM



I missed the part about the mirror being in the ROR. I thought it was left in an unused classroom. As for Dumbledore not telling Harry about the room in GOF, he didn't want to be obvious. It was a throw away comment that Harry just happened to remember a year later. Did Dumbledore explore the room at a later time; it's possible, because in OoTP, when he left Hogwarts, no one found him and he mentioned later in HBP he was searching for horcruxes.
- merrymarge on June 14 2012 02:38 PM



I was in the middle of rereading Chapter 12 and may have come across an example of a conjured animal being eaten! While eating with selected faculty and students on Christmas evening, Harry is in awe of the party favors, including wonderful crackers that, when popped, reveal assorted little gifts such as hats, chess pieces, and small, pure white mice. Harry notices that after a while, the mice disappear and makes the comment that they will likely being Mrs. Norris's Christmas feast! Obviously this is not something we actually see happen, and we also are not sure that the mice are actually conjured from thin air, but if so this calls into question one of Gemp's Exceptions to Elemental Transfiguration!
- DumbleDoor on June 14 2012 03:09 PM



Dumbledore probably found the Mirror cause he thought he needed something for the stone. As it being the RoR, of course the Mirror showed up. I think he saw his family in it, and being selfish, put it in the unused classroom. I think that when he saw Harry using the Mirror for essentially the same reason, he decided to move it. I think Dumbledore was at the Mirror alot before Harry ever discovered it. Seeing Harry obsessing over the Mirror made him realize that what he was doing wouldn't help anybody. We all know Dumbledore is a very selfish person. He's not a bad guy, he just wants things to go a certain way.
- Pegs81 on June 14 2012 04:54 PM



In regards to why Dumbledore wouldn't search the RoR if he knew about the Horcruxes and the RoR and the room of hidden objects: look at history. Voldemort typically places numerous challenges and enchantments around the horcruxes (it is a piece of his soul, after all), so why would Dumbledore ever believe that it would be tossed so carelessly in something like the RoR's hidden objects? That means any witch or wizard could easily access it. True, Voldemort would have been a snot enough to believe only truly gifted wizards could discover the secret of the RoR, but that doesn't mean he'd deem them worthy of finding his soul. Look at the locket's protection, the cup's, the diary's (yes, this has protection, as a person has to give up their life to free that piece of his soul completely); it just wouldn't make Voldemort-style sense.
And as for Dumbledore wanting Harry to find the mirror... first of all, it is Christmas, and there are very few students even present within the school. I don't think he purposely intended Harry to find it the first time: how could he foresee Harry going to the Restricted Section, then running the exact path he did to get away, then choosing the room he did to hide in? Doesn't work. I think he was maybe doing some experimental work with it, or maybe using it for himself. Remember, Dumbledore isn't perfect, he still has human weaknesses. As we see in HBP, he still feels over the mistakes he made, and maybe obsesses what could have been had he acted differently. Of course, by this time, and acknowledging how scarily omniscient Dumbledore is, he knows that someone is actively trying to get at the stone. Maybe instead he's decided to add further security measures, and has taken the mirror out to explore it's possibilities in this manner.

Is it an oxymoron to say that HP is a healthy obsession? :)
- MidnightCrimson on June 15 2012 05:53 PM



I agreed that DD could have been gazing into the mirror himself when Harry happened to wonder into that very same classroom. I can see him in there, both gazing upon his family and thinking of a way to utilize this powerful tool to conceal the stone.

Voldemort did utilize a lack of protection when hiding the Gaunt ring. It was simply tucked away under a floorboard in the old shack outside of Little Hangleton. Dumbledore stumbled across it by accident. The only protection on that ring was the protecting Voldemort had in that only Dumbledore knew his middle name and could connect him with Marvolo Gaunt's old home.
- wand_stone_cloak on June 15 2012 10:35 PM



While Gaunt's ring was hidden in pretty simple place to find, it was also cursed. It was this curse that caused Dumbledore's hand to blacken and was what was slowly killing Dumbledore thus causing Snape to care for him and ultimately kill him with the killing curse on Dumbledore's order. I would say that is a huge protection!

And yes - the website is amazing! As is the HP obsession! I have re-read the books for each of the new book releases, along with the movie releases. It's so nice to have great discussion with people from all over the world about detailed components of the book. ALOHOMORA ROCKS!
- OwlSnitch5132 on June 16 2012 09:46 AM



wand_stone_cloak, actually, Voldemort had several strong enchanments hiding the ring, as he did on all his Horcruxes. He had the bits of his soul very well guarded...
- Ali Wood on June 16 2012 12:14 PM



Just a small comment on the question whether Sirius knew Harry was alive when he saw the destroyed house; didn't Hagrid say in 'Prisoner of Azkaban' when he, Fudge, Flitwick and Mcgonagall were discussing Black with Rosmerta that he, Hagrid, met Sirius in Godric's Hollow and that Sirius said something like 'Let me take Harry, I'm his godfather, I'll look after him'? But Hagrid just answered that he had instructions from Dumbledore to bring Harry to him, so Black decided to give Hagrid his motorcycle because he himself wouldn't need it anymore? Am I right there? Am I right in saying that Sirius DID know that Harry was alive?

And another small comment concerning the question why the staff room door wasn't locked; I always thought there were two gargoyles in front of the door, weren't there? Harry talked to them in his 5th year, when he was searching for Grubbly-Plank because of Hedwig and I think one of the gargoyles asked him why he wasn't in class, Harry answered that it was something important, Mcgonagall opened the door, asked him the same question and the other gargoyl answered that 'It is important!', mocking Harry (or something like that). So, if there are really two gargoyles there in 5th year, why weren't there any in 1st? Or are there more than just one staff rooms? Any ideas?
- GoldSnitch on June 17 2012 11:12 AM



I think our heart's desire is always to be happy. Meanwhile our brain's desire focuses more on achieving or gaining something that will make us happy. Harry would be the happiest with his family and Ron wants to be better than all his look-alike brothers. Or a charity worker would probably see an end to war and hunger. While they all seek to be happy, each attain it a different way.
- Dobbys Sock on June 20 2012 11:12 AM



I picked up something interesting about Dumbledore and The Mirror Of Erised this time around that struck me as discussion-worthy. When Harry asks Dumbledore what he sees when he looks in the mirror, Dumbledore says that he sees himself "holding a pair of thick, woolen socks".

I just had to think about Dobby and the rule of freeing House Elves by giving them a piece of clothing. Perhaps this is a metaphore for Dumbledores hearts' desire being freedom?

I am sure Dumbledore feels as though he is trapped within his own tragic family history and haunted by his visions of what the future holds for the magical world, knowing what he does about Voldemort, the horcruxes and the Deathly Hallows.
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