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Posted by Noah Fried on June 16 2012 06:23 PM (42 Comments)


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On my first Pottermore account, my wand wood was very wrong, but my second wand was much better. Also, my two wands were exactly the same, except for the wood. I believe that the questions, are just really good.

Does anyone else notice threw out the series, Halloween is when almost every important moment happens in the books? First, Nearly Headless Nick was 'beheaded'. Second, the Potters where killed. Third, the troll. Fourth, we find out that the chamber was opened. Fifth, Sirius tries to break into the tower. Sixth, Harry's name comes out of the goblet.

We keep saying that Ginny is powerful, could that be because she is the SEVENTH Weasley child, and the only girl in the Weasley clan in SEVEN generations? I emphasise the seven because we are told that seven is the most powerful magical number.

Dean is really a half-blood not a muggleborn. True, he was raised as a muggle, but his father was a wizard who left to protect Dean and his mother, and was latter killed by death eaters.

Muggle Quidditch, at least the matches I have seen, did not follow all of the rules mentioned in 'Quidditch Through the Ages" like only the chaser with the quaffle is allowed ear the hoops.

Out of the whole school, is Hermione the only one who noticed that someone must have been jinxing his broom? There are teachers and students of all ages, and only a first year thinks to look?

I agree that Fred and George would have thrown snowballs at him, had they known.

Hagrid would have to brave to throw a "Support Harry Potter Party".

If chess pieces can talk, do they talk when they are packed up in your trunk? If they can only talk about a chess game, what would they talk about in your trunk? Would the pieces battle each other?

The cloak is passed down father to son, and after a while Harry comes to think of Dumbledore as a father-figure. Could This be foreshadowing Harry's future relationship with Dumbledore?

I think that there was security charms around the room and that is how he knew. Speaking of the room, I heard a rumer, based off of Pottermore, was this in the Room of Requirement? We don't know what floor he is on, only that he is a few stories about the kitchens. We do know that he was looking for a place to hide, and possibly missing his parents, so could this have called the room to him?

I think that if one year, Ron did not get a maroon sweater, he would be really upset, like how he always complained about Scabbers, but he was really upset when he thought Scabbers was dead.
- FlightQuest91 on June 16 2012 11:31 PM



Perhaps the mirror of erised had been left in the room to teach Harry how to use it. At the end of the book, it is suggested that Dumbledore knew that Harry would go and try to stop the stone being stolen, and they say that, rather than trying to stop him, Dumbledore just gave him help. Maybe leaving the mirror for Harry to find was intentional, as it was the day that Dumbledore gave him back his cloak as well.
- SlytherinGirl on June 17 2012 08:59 AM



On Ron and the Mirror of Erised: I never saw Ron as a jealous brat, and I believe his jealousy stems from real issues he has with himself. I know what it's like to be constantly compared to siblings and friends, and that comparison always seeming to make you look like less than them; I think Ron has accepted and internalised that he actually IS less than them -hence the jealousy, since he believes that they are better and he can't do anything to reach their level because he is simply, unchangingly not as good. I don't think that what he sees in the mirror is a reflection of a desire to be recognised by others and have some sort of power, I think his desire is to feel that he is or can be as worthy as his family and friends, therefore deserving of their love.
One thing that I always find interesting (in relation to other similar events in future books) is Ron' reaction after his and Harry's fight for the mirror: Ron is shocked at what happenned, claims the Mirror of Erised to be a dangerous object, and tells Harry that they should stay away from it -which is pretty much what Dumledore tells Harry. This, along with his telling Harry not to get so obsessed with the diary in CoS and with how much more the horcrux affects him in DH, has had me wondering whether Ron has some sort of inherent sensitivity against evil.

On the talking chess pieces: I don't think they're any more sentient than, for example, the Word Office program that notifies you of spelling and grammar mistakes and offers you suggestions on how to correct/replace them.
- Efthymia on June 17 2012 07:14 PM



It wasn't really a focus of the show, but I think the reason Floo powder is not used more widely in the postal service is because all those little pinches of dust used to deliver mail to wizards across the world could add up to a lot of Floo powder. This could get much more expensive than just re-using the same owl over and over to deliver mail. This also raises the questions of how much Floo powder costs, and what it is made out of.
- Hippogriff on June 17 2012 09:01 PM



Maybe Floo powder, like cars, is bad for the enviroment? And the brooms can only go so high up to vanish it all. Of course, if you can't see it maybe you can't vanish it.

Or wizards already tried to use Floo Powder for mail, and the owls flew up in the Great Owl Revolution, and they one, so now they're used again for mail.
- Elphaba26 on June 18 2012 04:09 PM



In the books it is my impression that the pieces don't smash and break each other as they do in the movies, but that they hit each other and bludgeon the other pieces, knocking them out and dragging them off the board. Thats why they are able to use the pieces over and over.

Floo powder: Good point Hippogriff. Also I think for sending messages owls are just easier and it is more like sending email than sending something through the post office. Remember in Hogsmeade they had the equivalent to a post office where they kept owls to send things. Can't we just think of the owls as postmen then? There is no need for postmen in their world at all, so they probably never really considered having people do that job...Ron would probably be just as surprised that people deliver the mail in the muggle world as he was that Harry didn't know about quidditch,etc.

Great show...
- StoneShield128 on June 19 2012 10:17 AM



So this is just a few small comments:

Noah, i laughed so hard at your comment at how Dumbeldore was acting like a stalker!

It's "The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholads Flamel" by Micheal Scott. i definately recamend it, I have read all but the last one, which just came out, but I intend on doing that soon.

I think that christmas is celebrated just because it is so wildly celebrated. I am not religious at all, and my family does it each year. It's just a great time of year to give presents, and get a break.
- MapleFeather on June 19 2012 03:44 PM



If Harry getting a Weasly sweater is foreshadowing his being part of the Weasley family, wouldn't Hermione (maybe a few years later) get a Weasley sweater too, since she also becomes part of the family?
Also, on the topic of Holidays at Hogwarts, I think it is just a matter of what most students celebrate (I'm assuming most of them celebrate Christmas). But if, like Maya said, there was a Wizarding school in Isreal, the students would probably celebrate Hanukkah. I think it depends on what most people in a given country celebrate.
- GingerRavenclaw on June 19 2012 04:32 PM



in answer to the disussion on wether or not Sirius knew Harry was alive when he went after Wormtail. He did!

Page 14 of the US edition of SS . . . .

' "Hagrid," said Dumbledore, sounding relieved. "At last. And where did you get that motorcycle?"
"Borrowed it, Professor Dumbledore, sir," sadi the giant, climbing carefully off the motorcycle as he spoke. "Young Sirius Black lent it to me . . . ." '

And again in PoA, when McGonagall, Flitwick, Fudge, Rosmerta, and Hagrid are discussing Sirius. page 206, US edition . . .

'"I met him!" growled Hagrid. "I musta bin the last person ter see him before he killed all them people! It was me what rescued Harry from Lily an' James's house after they was killed! Jus' got him outta the ruins, poor little thing, with great slash across his forehead, an' his parents dead . . . . an' Sirius Black turns up, on that flyin' motorbike he used to ride. Never occured to me what he was doin' there. I didn' know he'd bin Lily an' James Secret-Keeper. Thought he'd jus' heard the news o' You-Know-Who's attack an' come ter see what he could do. White and shakin' he was. An' yeh know what I did? I COMFORTED THE MURDERIN' TRATOR!" Hagrid roared. '

Sirius did know Harry was alive when he went after Wormtail. I think we can assume that the reason Sirius just rushed off is because he cannot believe that a friend would do something like turning them over to Voldemort, ending in their deathes. He is also very reckless, and a Gryfindor, so that is a huge thing, the most horible thing you could do, to betray your friends. Like he shouts at Wormtail, "you should have died for them!" He would have died for them, and it hurts him a lot that Wormtail didn't.
- MapleFeather on June 19 2012 04:38 PM



Thank you MapleFeather! I mentioned those in my podcast notes on the forums, but didn't have references. However, I think part of why he went after Wormtail was because Hagrid told him that he had to take Harry to the Durselys on Dumbledore's orders (if you keep reading in the PoA passage referenced, Hagrid says that Sirius asked for Harry, but Hagrid refused). Grief-striken and stripped of what he had wanted to do in this situation, Sirius took off to get revenge.
- Ali Wood on June 19 2012 04:51 PM



I have to say I always disagreed with Dumbledore when he said, "[T]his mirror will give us neither knowledge or truth." I don't know what exactly I would see if I looked in the mirror. Except at the end of the book, it seems the reflections shown are rather subconscious, or somewhat latent, to the viewer. Yet if the mirror shows "nothing more or less than the deepest, most desperate desire" of my heart, wouldn't I be gaining the knowledge of what that desire may be? Then I would know what to pursue in my life!
- HowlStone185 on June 19 2012 11:09 PM



I agree with AliWood here re: Sirius. His first priority when he arrived at Godric's Hollow was Harry. I believe he was there well in advance of Hagrid. Possibly he sent a Patronus to DD alerting him to the tragedy and received orders to stay there with Harry until further notice. Later Hagrid arrived and told him that DD said Harry was to be taken to Privet Drive. Sirius knew who lived there, surely, and in light of a madman and his minions on the loose may have thought it ok to hide Harry even if only temporarily. Then freed from immediate worry and filled with rage and anguish, he reacted as Sirius would and went after the traitor. Further tragedy. But I am surprised that Lupin suspected him.
- nana on June 20 2012 12:48 PM



Oooh, nana, I really like that! It makes a lot of sense :)
- Ali Wood on June 20 2012 01:04 PM



Ali Wood, yes, that probably was part of why he went after Wormtail. If he could have gotten Harry, he might have calmed down a bit, come to his senses. But then again, he might not have, and if that would have been the case, would we have wanted Harry with Sirius? Grief stricken, he wouldn't have been thinking clearly, and who knows what he would have done! He might've done something reckless, that put Harry in danger.
- MapleFeather on June 20 2012 01:16 PM



Sorry guys i was mistaken Hermione did not state this in DH actually JKR said it in an interview! She did say Hermione mentions Gawmp`s Law in DH and after that JK said the other exceptions. I cannot find the interview but i remember clearly i read this several times after deathly hallows were released. Maybe in the same interview when she told us who Luna marries , who Draco marries etc?Also it kind of makes sense..like you said life and love we already know cannot be created it is mentioned throughout the books. Money clearly cannot be created it would be like counterfeiting if you duplicate a galleon and a skilled wizard would detect a fake. And with intelligence you are just born with it you cannot become more intelligent. Knowledge is something alse take for example Rowena Ravenclaw`s diadem!
- incognitovalentino on June 20 2012 07:42 PM



Regarding the discussion about Gawmp's Laws, someone mentioned that energy is something that can't be created from nothing. I may have missed something here, but I disagree. Think about Lumos - light is energy. And there are several times in the books where "jets of light" shoot from wands. The physical motion of light shooting from one point to another sounds like energy being created to me. For that matter, think about inertia - anytime an object moves it requires some type of energy to overcome that object's tendency to stay in its original state. So Windgardium Leviosa, Accio, Alohomora, and a long list of others seem to create energy.
I just had a moment here to comment - I will try to check the Forums since I'm sure I'm not the only one with this theory.
- Daigle on June 22 2012 12:36 PM



Since I complained so much before, I just wanted to say that the audio quality of this last podcast was AMAZING. I had no problems hearing anything that you guys said. Even the fan guest sounded great. Thank you so much for your continued work on this podcast, both the content and the quality!
- MarauderRiver14231 on June 22 2012 03:28 PM



Daigle I`m pretty sure you`re right... each spell requires a certain amount of energy to perform! I stand by my theory eventhough i just read it i`m pretty sure it`s mostly canon based already even if you cannot find JKR `s interview where she said about the other 4 exceptions!Also... nobody commented on my ideea of how objects vanish or how wizards dissapparate ! i said that from my point of view when a wizard dissapparates he just sepparates his mollecules with a great distance between them. This also agrees with the Ravenclaw common room answer to the question "where do vanished objects go?"In nonbeing, which is to say, everything" . So basically if you split your atoms with a great distance between them..like one in New York , one in L.A. one in France etc. you would essentially be everywhere.... but into nonbeing because you would not exist in this state. And when you would apparate you would just concentrate those atoms into the same place. Any thoughts?
- incognitovalentino on June 22 2012 10:06 PM



I don't know if Ron's thing is so much jealousy, at least in regards to the Mirror, as it is wanting to do something *first.* He sees himself as Quidditch Captain *and* Head Boy, which is something no one else in his family has done. Bill was Head Boy and Charlie was Quidditch Captain, but no one else in his family has done *both.* It would be a way to distinguish himself in a way that no one else has done before him.
- the head girl on June 23 2012 12:53 AM



I think that the energy needed for spells could come from the potential energy within the wand core, which is perhaps why a wand needs the core. On the show, you have talked about how wands are almost living things that can think and have feelings. This makes it entirely possible that they have a store of potential energy that they can use to manipulate the elements around them and perform a spell.
- Hippogriff on June 23 2012 11:40 AM



I did not like my pottermore wand. After reading about non-verbal spells in book six and thinking how much better they would be compared to verbal spells, I was dismayed to find my wand is dogwood and unable to do non-verbal spells.
- Dobbys Sock on June 23 2012 04:54 PM



I think our heart's desire is always to be happy. Meanwhile our brain's desire focuses more on achieving or gaining something that will make us happy. Harry would be the happiest with his family and Ron wants to be better than all his look-alike brothers. Or a charity worker would probably see an end to war and hunger. While they all seek to be happy, each attain it a different way.
- Dobbys Sock on June 23 2012 04:55 PM



I believe what Ron see's in the mirror, is slightly foreshadowing that he wants to be better and more important, than his elder siblings.Yet he does because he is Harry's best friend, he is esential to finding and destroying the Horcruxes and the fall of Voldemort. Which neither Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred or George was. Well therotically they were but not as nearly as much as Ron. And all of this makes Ron the most honoured of all 6 Weasley brothers. Don't you agree??? Ron has his own Chocolate Frog Card (so does Hermione) due to aiding Harry on his mission to destroy the Horcruxes. Did you know that???
- Golden Snidget on June 23 2012 05:46 PM



I never really thought Hagrid ever had the potential to be a Gryfindor. But after you've looked into it I guess it was extremely likely that it was. Although I thought it was confirmed that he was placed in Hufflepuff and that common HP knowledge. Althought my brother said that he thought he was in Ravenclaw before we knew too much about that particular house. I assume afterwards we agreed that Hagrid in Ravenclaw was totally wrong for Hagrid. He's not dumb, it's in away how Neville wouldn't have done well in Ravenclaw....
- Golden Snidget on June 23 2012 06:05 PM



incognitovalentino, that's an interesting theory about disapparating and I like the tie-in to the Ravenclaw question. I guess my first thought is how Harry described the feeling of apparating that first time - wasn't it kind of like the portkey, where he felt like something was pulling him from behind his belly button? Which makes me think his molecules are being pulled into a single spot, not dispersed all over. But maybe that's just the first part of the process... maybe there's some explosion after that and it culminates in the molecules joining back together at the spot they were concentrating on. Could explain splinching, no? If you don't concentrate hard enough, some of your molecules don't make it back to you?
- Daigle on June 23 2012 07:57 PM



MarauderRiver14231 - thanks for the praise! New microphones, and AMAZING editors, generally help the process! So, thanks for noticing - and thank you even more for commenting!
- RubyWizard24 on June 23 2012 10:18 PM



You debated earlier whether or not the Dursleys beat Harry. Well I agree that Vernon probably did but Petunia didn't. And currently I'm rereading the 1st book when I came across this quote, which is on page 46 Chapter Keeper of the Keys in Philosophers stone version : "Now, you listen here boy," He snarled. "I accept there's somethings strange about you, probably nothing a good beating wouldn't have cured... (I'm not bothering to finish the quote he basically just said Harry's parents were weirdos and that he'd known they'd die horribly.)
- Golden Snidget on June 24 2012 01:50 PM



Another reason I think they don't use Floo powder in the postal service is that the person travelling needs to know at which point to get out, so they arrive in the right fireplace. A letter or even an owl would probably not be able to do that, so they would never reach their destination.
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