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Philosopher's / Sorcerer's Stone - Chapters 15 - 16

We're approaching the end of the book so things are definitely getting serious!

In Chapter 15 the backlash of the dragon adventure is felt and we see Harry, Hermione, Neville and Draco enter the Forbidden Forest for detention.

We have our first encounter with the shadowy figure of Voldemort and run into a fleet of Centaurs who are both enigmatic and repetitive.

In Chapter 16 things come to a head and Harry finally realises that a dragon is too good to be true. As they seek out the truth, the trio realises that tonight is the night and they are left to protect the stone!

Cleverly working their way through their Professors' tasks, Ron and Hermione are forced to fall behind and Harry moves forward to face the final hurdle alone...

But be warned! Mars is bright tonight!

The Forbidden Forest Through the Trapdoor


Posted by Rosie on July 08 2012 05:17 PM (18 Comments)


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After reading through these chapters, I have a few questions:
-The note from McGonagall in Chapter 15 says that the detention will take place at 11-o-clock, but a bit later it says that Harry and Hermione left the common room at 11. Hogwarts has 7 floors (I might be mistaken, this is sheerly off memory, but the point is it's huge), so it would probably take someone a very long time to navigate it, especially since doors and staircases are always moving. Does it make sense that they left their common room and arrived in the entrance hall in, lets say, less than 5 minutes?
-Does this punishment seem uncharacteristic of Hagrid? I mean, sending 2 kids into a dark forest with only a dog for protection doesn't seem to fit Hagrid's loving, kind, motherly nature. Did he have a choice? Or did McGonagall make him take the kids?
- Hippogriff on July 10 2012 01:10 AM



Also, did McGonagall seem a little too un-curious about how the Trio knew about the Philosopher's Stone? She was shocked at first, but when the Trio interrupted her, she just said "I don’t know how you found out about the Stone,..." If Dumbledore was indeed pulling the strings the whole time as was suggested on the last episode, did he tell her about his plans, and that's why she didn't dig too deep?
- Hippogriff on July 10 2012 01:39 AM



I have a few comments on these chapters that I'd like to bring up. :)

Chapter 15:
When Gryffindor house and the rest of the houses find out that Harry (and others) had lost Gryffindor 150 points in one night, they turn on him and instead of being "the most popular and admired," he becomes "the most hated." (244)
This seems a little dramatic. Yeah, no house wants Slytherin to win again (besides Slytherin), but this is a little harsh. This comment made me think that the points system seems to be a bully system at times. The points seem to matter so much that fellow students will make the point-loser's life miserable. That's how Harry felt. I'm sure I'd be pretty annoyed if someone lost my house 150 points in one night, but I'm an extremely competitive person. Side note: I do think 150 points is a little much to take away just for students being out of bed...

Also, did only Hagrid and Filch know that first years were about to go into the FORBIDDEN forest? It would make sense if only they knew. Filch enjoys harsh discipline, so it wouldn't be a problem to him. And Hagrid probably thought the kids would like having detention with them because he is a friend. But my goodness....the forest is forbidden for first years for a reason.

I looked up the significance of the "Mars is bright tonight" (253) line in the HP-Lexicon and I found the explanation to be quite interesting: "Assuming that Mars signifies blood and warfare in Harry's world, we can conclude that the centaurs are seeing the approaching war as Voldemort rises again to power. He won't actually be back in full power for several more years, but the centaurs tend to view events on a grand scale, so a few years will seem very soon to them." (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/ps/rg-ps15.html) Thanks Steve!

I like the fact that as one goes farther into the forest, the tree trunks get thicker and thicker. It's a small detail, but it's a great one.

Chapter 16:
On the bottom of page 264, we see Harry's sixth sense, his attention to detail, when he figures Hagrid told the hooded man how to get past Fluffy.

I don't really like that McGonagall ignores the trio's pleads about the Stone. It's kind of important. And yes, way more important than the darn Ministry of Magic.

Harry's "hero speech" (270) is so awesome! He knows that nothing else matters besides making sure Voldemort doesn't get to the Stone. You go, Harry!

During one of the podcasts, you guys forgot to mention that Harry received a flute from Hagrid for Christmas. I was sad that it wasn't mentioned because it's another example of a gift that helps Harry through his adventures. Harry plays the flute in order to keep Fluffy asleep! It's brilliant that his gifts have a purpose!

“‘Yes - of course - but there’s no wood!’ Hermione cried, wringing her hands.” (278)
Hermione is an intelligent person, but since she was raised a Muggle, she must have transferred to a Muggle line of reasoning when she was under that pressure, so she forgot that she had the ability to conjure up flames.

It's interesting that some of the tasks to get to the Stone play to Harry, Ron, and Hermione's strengths. Harry is great at flying, Ron kicks butt at chess, and Hermione is smart and highly logical. Lucky for them. So, McGonagall thinks that the Sone is too well protected, but these three can get to it fairly easily...hmm.

Wow! We're almost done with the book! I am loving Alohomora more and more! Thanks everyone!
- cdemi12 on July 10 2012 11:29 AM



Hippogrif if I remember correctly they left not at 11 but at 10:45. But I could be wrong.

Perhaps McGonagall assumed that Hagrid had accidently told them. As she knows quite well he can be a bit careless.
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