I believe that Voldemort could never get the Stone because of the mirror. Dumbledore said to Harry later on, "You see, only one who wanted to find the Stone - find it, but not use it - would be able to get it." And getting it was exactly what Voldemort wanted.

As to whether Harry was inspired or destined to get the Stone, I believe he was inspired. It was his choice, he was determined to stop Voldemort and was going to try no matter what.

You could look to the prophecy and say it was destiny that Harry would defeat Voldemort. but didn't the prophecy mean nothing until Voldemort acted on it? If Voldemort had never heard that someone born at the end of July was going to kill him, would he have tried to kill Harry? Probably not because he would be just an ordinary boy like Neville as Harry often thinks in the later books. Their roles could have been switched and you could just say it would have been Neville's destiny.. It's all very confusing, and I don't know if I'm making much sense but thanks for reading haha.

I think it was a bit of both destiny and choice. Sure, you have your destiny, but it is your choices that lead you there. Each decision a person makes leads to a different path, and maybe even a different future, a destiny if you will. Harry made the choice to go after the Stone. Voldemort made the choices to make him who he is, and therefore, he could not succeed because he would not be able to get the Stone out of the Mirror. Choice leads to the end result. The two are tied infinitely together.

Going on to what we are saying about the prophecy: In HBP, Dumbledore does stress that Harry will only follow the prophecy because Voldemort started to follow it, and because Harry as a person will not rest until the man that killed his parents, who slaughtered his father and forced his mother to throw herself in front of his crib, and who destroyed countless other lives and families, is finished. Harry makes that choice. It's one of my favorite lines: "It was the difference between being dragged into an arena to face death or walking in with your head held high. Dumbledore knew it,. "and so I" thought Harry. "And so did my parents" he thought with a rush of pride. And that was all that mattered." Had Harry never heard the prophecy, his charted out "destiny", he would still want to kill Voldemort. But he wants this because Voldemort chose to act on the prophecy and mark Harry as an equal.

I don't think that Voldemort would necessarily have gotten past Dumbledore's enchantment to recover the Stone. But had Harry not encountered him, he might very well have continued unnoticed for a longer time, growing stronger through other means.

I do think Dumbledore suspected Voldemort, though, based on his comment to Snape in the pensieve during The Prince's Tale. ("Keep an eye on Quirrell, won't you?")

So that leads me to think Dumbledore did tweak circumstances to nudge Harry into investigating.

If Harry had never shown up at the Mirror and to find Voldemort and Quirrell, I don't know that Voldemort would have been able to get the stone out the mirror. The stone could only be taken from the mirror if the looker's intentions were pure, and that they didn't want to use the stone for evil.

I think this can be paralleled to Dumbeldore being the only person that Voldemort ever feared. With the other teachers and their tasks to protect the store, it doesn't matter to Voldemort. He'll take on the other teachers all day. But Dumbeldore's task was designed to keep someone like Voldemort out, and I like to have faith that the magic would be powerful enough to keep Voldemiort from retreiving the stone from the mirror.

Eule, I love your comment :)
I think that the whole issue of the prophecy parallels this question about the Stone and Voldemort and the trio. In the case of the prophecy, it is Voldemort's choice to attack Harry that sets the prophecy's chain of events in motion. A choice kickstarts destiny. In this case, if Harry had trusted his teachers, he would not have met Voldemort in the time and place he did. Harry's destiny was to meet, fight and ultimately vanquish Voldemort. If he hadn't done it in this time and place he would have done it later. Again, it was his choice that kickstarted his destiny.
This connects to another issue that was discussed on the podcast, whether destiny is an end goal or whether it includes all the actions a person takes to reach that goal. I'm inclined to think that it's just an end. If Harry had not saved the Stone and Quirrell was unable to get it, Voldemort might have sent him after Harry next. The first meeting would have taken place a little later, but would still have happened, starting Harry on a different journey to meet, fight and ultimately vanquish Voldemort.

I don't think Harry needed to trust the teacher's skills in making the tasks. I think that Dumbledore simply relied on the last obstacle - the mirror- and I don't think it even mattered that 'Voldemort' knew how to get past the others. If Dumbledore knew that Voldemort was almost back, he would also know that the only person capable of beating Voldemort would be himself, and therefore that the only obstacle needed would be his. So, although Harry followed his choices and went down the trapdoor, he needn't have worried about being too late because Voldemort would never have made it past the mirror. Perhaps Voldemort would have been driven insane by what he can't have like so many men had (according to Dumbledore!)

Although I do agree with a lot of the commenters here that The Mirror of Erised was the greatest way to keep the stone away from Voldemort, I feel that it was always fate for Voldemort to return to power. I believe that choice in the series is extremely important, but it's destiny is just as important. I believe that if Harry had not intervened, Voldemort would have someway gotten the stone no matter what it took or how long. It was Harry's choice to intervene, but it only put off Voldemort coming back to power, but in the end he did come back-even if it was another way. This is why I believe that Voldemort was destined to succeed.

I agree with a lot of what has been said above. I don't think Voldermort would ever have got the stone from the mirror, even if Harry hadn't interrupted him. Even though eventually perhaps Voldermort could have found a way around Dumbledore's protection of the stone, before this happened I think Dumbledore would have been alerted of his presence in the final chamber (after all he is a stalker). It would have been silly for there not to have been a charm similar to the one set up in Hogsmeade at the end of DH in place on the third floor, so I think somehow Voldermort would have been interrupted before he was successful even if it wasn't Harry who did the disturbing.

If that wasn't the case I still don't think Voldermort could have got the stone. As Dumbledore famously says in CoS "It is our choices Harry, far more than our abilities, that show who we truly are". Although Voldermort is obviously more powerful than an eleven year old Harry and has far greater abilities, he chooses to want the stone selfishly to use for his own gain, whereas Harry chooses to merely want to find it so he can save the day. For this reason I think perhaps Voldermort would never have been able to get the stone from the mirror, and he definitely wasn't destined to suceed.

In the same way I don't think Harry was destined to intervene. Harry intervened because that's part of who he is; he has his "saving people thing". He did what he did because with Harry's personality and the situation he was put in (i.e. thinking he knew what was going on and thinking he could stop it) he felt that there was no other option.

“If Harry had listened to his teachers and trusted their skills in setting up tasks to prevent the theft of the stone, would Voldemort have been able to capture it?� No, because as Dumbledore said, only someone who wanted to find it, not use it, would be able to “pull� the stone out of the mirror. That probably means that the way it was designed, Dumbledore wouldn’t have been able to get it himself, because he might have seen himself destroying the stone in the mirror, so he would have been blocked as well by his own enchantment. So anyone, who just wanted to find the stone might have been to pull it out of the mirror, not necessary Harry, it could have been another student, or staff member. I think Dumbledore might have picked Harry to get the stone, once the matter had been settled and Voldemort neutralised from Quirrell, he would have gotten the mirror out of the maze and asked Harry to stand in front of it, after all he knew the kids were after the “stone mystery� from what McGongall and Hagrid had heard from Harry and his friends.

I think that scene when Harry finds the mirror in the empty classroom during that night in the Christmas vacation was a simple test from Dumbledore. I don’t think he was a stalker, he just wanted to see what Harry was made of, if he was a young Tom Riddle, if the cursed had had an effect on his mind. When he saw his parents and family in the mirror, Dumbledore knew Harry wasn’t Riddle, and had an even stronger confirmation when Harry brought back Ron to show him, because Riddle wouldn’t have shared that discovery with anyone.

“Was Voldemort destined to succeed?� I think the stone and all the maze behind it (the flying keys, the troll, the potion puzzle, chessboard...) and the “performances� Snape gave to Quirrell that year were part of a plan to trick Voldemort into getting the stone, so it would act as a distraction – while he’s trying to get the stone, he’s not trying to rally some Death Eaters or interested in Harry, who had just started school. The stone was a bait to keep Voldemort distracted, and perhaps to catch him and maybe an attempt to rescue Quirrell from Voldemort.

The moment Quirrell went back to school that Summer before classes started, Dumbledore knew immediately something had changed about him (he’s a master Legilimens after all) and soon realised Voldemort, who at that point wasn’t possessing Quirrell entirely like at the end of the book but just haunting him, was around. Albus naturally told his suspicions to some of his closest staff (those implicated in the maze) and the Flamels and they devised a plan to rescue Quirrell and catch Voldemort. Of course all of them would have to act dumb to pretend in Quirrell’s face they had no idea what was going on to encourage him to get to the stone. Except Snape who stepped in and acted as the Death-Eater-who-wants-the-stone-for-his-Master (and he better act well so Voldemort wouldn’t doubt which side Snape is on). And Hagrid who played dumb too by giving Quirrell’s hints about how to get passed Fluffy.

“Was Harry destined to intervene, or was it Dumbledore’s interference - so unlike the centaurs - that inspired Harry to act and face Voldemort in Chapter 17?� I think Harry convinced himself he had to act, and brought Hermione and Ron along with him. But it was never necessary of him, and he wasn’t even supposed to get there in the first place. But as an 11 years old kid he didn’t see the big picture, and it was perfectly normal. He was still convinced Snape was trying to kill him after all. He meddled in Albus’ plan, but he got rescued by him and Ron and Hermione were safe, but Voldemort escaped and Quirrell died. This was not just Harry’s fault, it was also in part caused by Dumbledore taking too much time to act too, if Dumbledore had confronted Quirrell about Voldemort as soon as he knew about it, Voldemort would have no doubt escaped, and probably returned to Albania, wandering in forests and possessing animals, but Quirrell would have been safe, wouldn’t have drunk unicorn blood and would still be alive and probably “be all right� like Hagrid said at the beginning.

I don't think that Voldemort would have ever been able to get the stone, because of Dumbledore's enchantment. However, I do believe that Quirrell would have been able to get the stone.

Without Harry's interference, Quirrell/Voldemort would have been in front of the mirror for...well, honestly, we don't know how long and we never will. We do know that Quirrell was terrified of Voldemort, and I believe that eventually, Voldemort would have gotten so frustrated that he would have began threatening Quirrell. Eventually, I believe Quirrell would have been able to get the stone because he would no longer want to use it himself, but rather only to give it to Voldemort.

In the beginning, he wants the stone to use it to bring Voldemort back. I believe, though, that his motivation would change should Voldemort start threatening him. He would no longer want to bring Voldemort back, but rather want the stone simply to save his life. It would turn less into loyalty and wanting to bring Voldemort back, to more of a self preservation

That also brings up another question, though. Was Quirrell ever really loyal to Voldemort? Or was it more of a feel of self preservation and NEEDING to be loyal to survive? Was Quirrell really as evil as we all see him, or was he simply trying to save himself?

As Dumbledore knew that Voldemort would try to steal the stone, and yet did nothing to stop him until it was clear that Harry was in danger, he probably felt that his and the rest of the staff's obstacles would be enough to thwart him. Particularly the Mirror of Erised would confuse Voldemort, as he is much too passionate on the subject of immortality to consider the fact that someone might want to not find and use the stone, but merely find it to prevent others from using it.

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