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Regretfully, I was not on the latest episode of Alohomora! but here it is - the Podcast Question of the Week!

Thinking about the Malfoys, they seem to have power and be greatly respected in the wizarding community because they have money. But how important is gold truly in the Wizarding World as compared to magical ability, or family lineage?

Tricky question: We will read some of the most intriguing comments on the next episode of Alohomora!


Posted by Noah Fried on September 09 2012 06:24 PM (29 Comments)


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We see a very corrupt government system in the series, one where gold overrules the legal system, as demonstrated by the Fudge-Malfoy relationship. It opened doors for them, and got them powerful friends. Greed is a very powerful human emotion, and wizards are human. Money plays as an important part in the wizarding world as it does in the boring muggle one.
- killey2011 on September 09 2012 09:54 PM



As in the muggle world, the value of gold for influential families is that it helps them to maintain their position in society. Throughout the series, Malfoy's "donations" are mentioned. I believed that wizarding institutions, for example, St. Mungo's, depends on these "donations" in order to continue operating. Therefore, the Malfoy’s social status is tied proportionately to their wealth. We see the Gaunts, a pureblood family and direct descendants of Slytherin, living in squalor because "a great liking for grandeur meant that the family gold was squandered several generations before Marvolo was born."(DH).
On the other hand, the Weasley’s understand that being at the bottom of the social pyramid instills a drive to constantly move upwards. Bill is off seeking gold for the goblins, Percy is willing to do whatever it take to rise through the ranks at the Ministry, Gred and Forge utilize their magical and natural abilities to not only make a profit, but also to amuse and entertain. Yet Ron is constantly bemoaning his lack of wealth, because he fails to understand that it is not money, but friendships, that create happiness.
Ultimately, gold may aid the individuals to remain at the top of the social pyramid, but it will not keep them there. Gold is like gravity: as long as it exists, people will stay where they are. As soon as it’s gone, people just float away.
- nlei11 on September 09 2012 11:16 PM



I agree with what's been said above. Money means power no matter what kind of society you look at really. We see it the Muggle world and we see it in the Wizarding world. There always seems to be a price that will get people what they want, so I think that money can definitely have a huge impact on how powerful a person is in Wizarding society. We see it a lot with the Malfoys. Lucius makes generous donations to different causes and then those people are in debt to the family.. he can then go and call in favours, and these people will comply because they don't want to lose funding or favour or look bad. He can stick his foot in wherever he wants. And since the wizarding world is significantly smaller than the Muggle world, it is far easier to take control of a majority of society. It's sort of like Slughorn: a spider in a web, tugging the strings to his heart's content.

Family lineage probably also has some impact. As a prominent, well-known wizarding family, you would have status and have the ability to make people listen to your opinion. We see this with celebrities and such, if you're a nobody then people won't necessarily listen. But well-known people have that power of influence on people's opinions.

And if you're both rich AND well-known like the Malfoys? There's a force to reckon with.
- ZeoRegrediens on September 10 2012 04:57 AM



If gold is one of those Gamp's Laws things, then its scarcity makes it valuable. I'm not sure why wizards didn't decide on another substance to make their money, but this is a major thing in common with muggles. Gold is always valuable. I wonder if there are also magic qualities to gold that we don't know about?

And let's be honest, the Malfoys and their extended family members are powerful wizards. I mean, Bellatrix may be the 3rd most powerful witch in the whole series behind Dumbledore and Voldemort. And the gold gives this family the ability to align themselves with other powerful wizards (powerful as spell casters and in positions of power in the ministry). I don't think they are an important wizarding family because they have money. I think they have money because they are an important wizarding family.

The thing about the Malfoys is that they have a trifecta...gold, power, and lineage. And Pottermore tells us they are pretty shrewd and that they wielded their power and influence among muggles as well until it became unpopular among influential wizards.

Perhaps it's like the dukes and duchesses and people with that kind of title in Europe. Maybe Rosie can shed some light on that for us, because I don't fully understand it as an American, but aren't some people walking around England with titles simply because somewhere back in their family tree, there was a person with stature? And although that system seems to be less important now, some things stick. Just a thought.
- jessfudd on September 11 2012 09:37 AM



I am reminded of a line from the Disney movie Aladdin-
"Whoever has the gold makes the rules."

We can look at our own societies right now and know that the rich people are the ones who influence politicians to their way of thinking. With any business venture, you need capital, and who has capital? Rich people. I'm pretty sure this concept is no different in the wizarding world. Old families like the Malfoys found a way to increase their wealth, and because they have capital, were able to start new projects or invest money in other ways, which lead them to become even more grounded in a society. I bet if JKR ever released random information about Gringotts bank, there would be a list of donors for the project, and I bet you the Malfoys and the other wealthy wizarding families would have their names on that list.

As for making them more influential, if you had a concern or a question about something, wouldn't you want to ask the person who seems the most successful? And if the advice turns out to be good advice, that increases and roots even more firm the standing that the family has in their community.
- MarauderRiver14231 on September 11 2012 11:14 AM



JK is using the reality of her readers to cast similariies between the muggle world and the wizarding world. People with money has access to bigger and better things, and have priveleges and oppurtunities that others do not. It is just how the world is unfortunately.
We learn early the Weaslys are poor, they are cast as the underdogs, as they all are Griffendors. They are meant for great things and heroism. JK makes a statement thoughout the series, that money can not buy you happiness, and I always interpret the Weaslys as happy go lucky and loving yet the wealthy malfoys sa bitter.
The Wealys are pure blood, yet as referenced in the pod cast I think all thier money was used for all the weasly kids, going back generations and throughout thier cousins as well.
Thier lack of influence has always had to do with thier affinity for muggles. Bill references this in DH. The Weasly family has a history of being blood traitors. It is also referenced that Mr Weasly could not get a promotion at the Ministry because of his infatuation with muggles.

I do not think that Magical ability has much to do with power, otherwise Fudge wouldnt' have been minister, and Dumbledore would have not been trashed publicy in OoTP like he was. While I believe the Malfoys are powerful wizards, I do not belive they are as poweful as the Weasleys. I think the Weaslys have more conviction in thier use of magic.

In all I think gold and money are the most powerful influence in the wizarding world. However, having money doesn't mean everything, and that truth is proven throughout the series.
- Scalestome97 on September 11 2012 01:52 PM



Money is money and it always will be. I think no matter what, money just affords you certain luxuries in life no matter what world you're living in. However, I would like to make the argument that money is not what matters most in the HP series. I think at the end of the day, blood status or magical ability wins out as being most important to the characters.

A lot depends on who you're talking to with this question. For the Malfoys, they're just bullies in general so they'll hit you where it hurts most. Ron has the pure blood, but not the money so Draco attacks him for being poor most often. For Hermione, she has no issues with money, but lacks the pure blood so Draco always attacks her for that. Harry doesn't have a problem with either of these issues, so Draco goes after him for being Voldemort's enemy more than anything else. The Malfoys just bully you where they can.

But for other characters, blood and magicalness seem more important. Look at how Umbridge despises the centaurs and giants because they are "half-breed" and incapable of "real" magic. Even the Dursleys don't criticize wizards for being rich or poor - they'll gladly take your wizard money and exchange it for their own if they can, but if you don't have money, they overlook that fact and go right back to calling you out for being a wizard, not a poor wizard, just a wizard.

Finally, think of Deathly Hallows and all the horrible things the Ministry does. They go after anyone they suspect isn't of true magical lineage and it doesn't look like money is buying anyone anything there. For me personally, I think it's all about the blood at the end of the day. Money helps, but blood status saves.
- LumosNight3 on September 11 2012 05:03 PM



I think it would probably depend on what government is in power that would determine what equals power most at any one time. So while that idea that the Ministry was valuing blood purity over money in DH is true, it's not always like that (consider how things would change post second Wizarding War). Before the Death Eater takeover of the Ministry in DH, money seemed to be what had most influence. If you were rich, you had power.
There was probably a time when magical talent was what got you power. Before there was a Wizarding Government, back in old times, it's likely there might have been a system mirroring something like monarchy. Right? I would imagine that the most powerful wizard in those times, would wield the most power and influence.
- ZeoRegrediens on September 11 2012 10:29 PM



I believe that money does not entirely get you power in the magical world. Voldemort himself was an orphan that relied on scholarships to pay for school supplies. In this instance his magical abilities got him his respect from his peers. Also throughout Voldemort’s life he took pride in his family lineage; especially since he had a connection with Hogwarts, a place that he was infatuated with, through Salazar Slytherin.

In the Weasley’s case I believe that they’re name is good enough to land Arthur a government job. The family is indeed ‘pure blood’. However, their views are different, and sometimes mocked, compared to their relatives. Their lineage still holds up enough to help them get careers in the magical community. Two of the Weasley’s hold ministry jobs, one works in Romania working with dragons, and another works for Gringotts; which are all reputable positions to hold.
- Winkysmh on September 12 2012 03:51 PM



I don't think the word "respect" is the right one in this case; I'm fairly certain that most people are, in a way, frightened of the Malfoys. Think about it: we have Lucius, who uses his family wealth and connections to blackmail people, threatening them and their families; Narcissa, who comes from a long line of influential, Dark wizards; Bellatrix, who is completely deranged; and Draco, who bullies and puts himself in a position of power, playing both sides to get the most gain. And of course, the family is in Voldemort's inner circle. As in the Muggle world, gold can give wizards a leg up, through better opportunities for things like education, and more chances to enhance certain skills, but it's not what really makes the Malfoys so threatening. That lies more in the power they have accumulated through deception and fear, and the Dark kind of magical skills they seem most adept at. Obviously, we see examples in the books that gold, lineage, and skill are not necessary to be a great wizard. The Weasleys have little gold, and yet they have one of the most amazing families; Hermione and Lily are both Muggle-borns with enormous skill; and Neville, who rarely succeeds in defensive and combative magic is crucial to the destruction of Voldemort. In Rowling's world, these three things matter little; your background does not control who you are or what you become. In order of importance, I'd rank the three as magical ability, gold, and lineage, as based on which seem to come out best in Harry's eyes and JKR's themes.
- Ali Wood on September 12 2012 07:48 PM



I believe that money does not entirely get you power in the magical world. Voldemort himself was an orphan that relied on scholarships to pay for school supplies. In this instance his magical abilities got him his respect from his peers. Also throughout Voldemort’s life he took pride in his family lineage; especially since he had a connection with Hogwarts, a place that he was infatuated with, through Salazar Slytherin.

In the Weasley’s case I believe that they’re name is good enough to land Arthur a government job. The family is indeed ‘pure blood’. However, their views are different, and sometimes mocked, compared to their relatives. Their lineage still holds up enough to help them get careers in the magical community. Two of the Weasley’s hold ministry jobs, one works in Romania working with dragons, and another works for Gringotts; which are all reputable positions to hold.
- Winkysmh on September 13 2012 09:36 AM



I feel that gold runs closely behind magical ability as important in the
Wizarding World. I think for magical ability to become a great deciding factor, one would have to be an extremely powerful individual like Voldemort, Dumbledore, and later on Harry Potter.

I'm not sure if I just made this up, but I feel that I read somewhere in the books that some of the Weasley's immediate ancestors wasted all of the family's money on something not worthwhile. I could be making this up. Or their loss of the family fortune could go to the fact that the Weasleys have been known to have a lot of children, something that Draco picked up on in the series.

I think that if the Weasleys had money, then they would be able to have some better standing in the Wizarding World, even if Arthur would still be seen as a fool for loving muggles. This plays the same role with the Malfoys I think. Borgin was more than happy to invite Lucius into his shop hoping for some of his money to come into his hands, I think. The Malfoy's lineage may be as important, but I think it's their money that keeps everyone on their side.
- QueenSilver171 on September 14 2012 01:13 PM



Gold cannot be created by any magical prowess or device (since the Sorcerer's Stone was destroyed.) Just as in the muggle world, it can only be dug up and refined. It cannot be counterfeited as the "magical powers that be" most likely have ways of discovering fake gold, such as leprechaun gold, before it is placed in circulation.

And unfortunately, Magical ability alone cannot feed you or your family. As Hermione reminds Ron in DH,

"It’s impossible to make good food out of nothing! You can Summon it if you know where it is, you can transform it, you can increase the quantity if you’ve already got some..."

So a family must either produce (grow) 100% of their own food, or they must somehow get their hands on some gold to buy any foods they lack. This requires trade and it's accompanying laws and regulations. In no time at all then, some families will begin to acquire more wealth than others. Those families with fewer mouths to feed will see their supply of gold increase even more quickly. And if you figure out how to work in some dark and surreptitious dealings, your wealth will likely increase exponentially. I am confident that this is how the Malfoys acquired the status they now possess.

Magical ability, then, while it can provide employment and protection, cannot alone feed your family, nor can it alone produce the gold you need to obtain enough food.

With a system like this, the wealthy can obtain a great deal of power in not too long a time. Such, apparently, was the case with the Malfoys. They have not demonstrated any particularly stunning magical abilities, but they do have brains and a great deal of nerve. There are plenty of muggle examples of the untalented and uninteresting buying their way into the spotlight. The Malfoys garnered the attention they have by lording their wealth over everyone else and through "charitable" donations, getting their name involved with every major institution in their vicinity (St. Mungo's, Hogwarts School Board of Directors, etc.)

So it is that wealth represents just as much (if not more) power than lineage or magical talent. It seems that the wizarding world shares our struggle with the idea that "with enough cash you really can buy anything."
- Walpurgis on September 15 2012 01:13 AM



I think one of the reasons that the Malfoys are so powerful is that they are a very old wizarding family, but then they also have a lot of gold. The Weasley's who are also a very old wizarding family don't have very much gold or power. Gold I believe is just as important in the wizarding world as money is in our world. In our world people can buy their way into politics especially while the mob was very big during the prohibition era. That was exactly how the Malfoys became so powerful particularly while Fudge was Minister of Magic. I think that how much more gold means than family lineage or magical ability just depends on what kind of era you are in. Later on when Kingsley is minister magical ability means far more than how much gold you have, or whether you are a muggle-born or a pure-blood.
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