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Episode 20 is on its way - the very first covering Book 3! Here is the question of the week:

Early on in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, we find out that the Weasley family has won a wonderful prize of 700 galleons through a Daily Prophet drawing. We also learn that they spend most of this grand fortune on a trip to Egypt. So we started to wonder, why would so much money be needed, given the way Wizard-kind is able to travel, seemingly so cheaply?

Our question is this - what are the expenses of Wizarding travel? Could a lot of this money actually go to traveling from the UK to Egypt? And as the magical community travels about the world, what sort of international guidelines might they have to follow when traveling into other countries?

Some responses to this question will be read on the next episode of Alohomora!

Posted by Caleb on January 13 2013 01:16 PM (18 Comments)


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I would say that most of this money would be spent on accommodation rather than the travel itself. In the Muggle world, flights are relatively inexpensive, while even modest holiday accommodation can cost hundreds of dollars a night. I don't think that travel would be entirely free of cost for wizards, though. Apparition and side-along Apparition would not be appropriate as it "...becomes increasingly unreliable over very long distances, and only highly skilled wizards are wise to attempt it across continents" (Quidditch Through the Ages, p.48). Brooms would also be inappropriate for obvious reasons, and I am inclined to think that the Floo Network is not international due to it being controlled by the British Ministry of Magic. Perhaps there is a Ministry-Approved wizarding travel agent that would set up a Portkey for a cost, or maybe there is an international service akin to the Knight Bus. Both options would likely cost a fair amount to transport all of the Weasleys. As to what guidelines there would be for wizards travelling internationally, I think they would reflect the Muggle guidelines in each country, as this is often dependant on the culture and attitudes of a nation, something that is largely shared by wizards and Muggles.
- JNA on January 13 2013 08:27 PM



I don't think wizarding travel costs very much, but the accommodation was probably what did it. They probably travelled by Portkey, since it's the most reliable (albeit nauseating) and cheap form of travel in the wizarding world. I don't think Portkeys would cost very much if they were created out of bits of old junk. At least it leaves some money for the Weasleys to save up!
- cloverlover on January 14 2013 01:52 AM



I think a lot of money would go to traveling from the UK to Egypt as the travel is inter-continental. And things like visa's may have to be made available for using Portkeys for international travel (which would cost a lot for the Weaslys who are really poor) But some of the money would go in staying there too.
I also think that some of the money would have been used for buying things like tickets for the various tourist places(wizarding) in Egypt. And on the international guidelines I agree with JNA.
- hpfan2000 on January 14 2013 01:54 AM



I would think that staying in a foreign country would cost the same as it does in the muggle word which includes, Hotels, tickets to sights, food, and drinks for nine people if all the Weasley’s went. In addition, there may be portkeys used but for international travel they maybe a fee associated with like VISAs in the US or passports to travel. I would think that international community would like to keep track (as much as possible) foreign-born wizards moving in and out of their countries.
- Ansmbc on January 14 2013 07:21 AM



There's a bit more involved with travel than you might think. There is accommodations to worry about, first and foremost. That alone, for even a small place - with a family like the Weasleys, you figure they would have to buy at least two or three rooms, or some sort of package. Then there's meals - again, this is a vacation for everyone, so I highly doubt Mrs. Weasley would be putting even her lovely cooking skills to work. Even with magical travel, It has always been my impression that, just like in the muggle world, they would have set up some sorts of customs offices, that stops wizards and witches from just travelling willy nilly. The Ministry tries to carefully regulate everything, and we learn in later books that Individual countries have ministries as well. I've always imagined that there's some sort of magical border crossing, where you have to go through checkpoints, make sure you're not, say, smuggling flying carpets back into the country - that costs money to go through as well.

And, of course, as every traveller and Harry Potter fan would know...there's also the fact that anything you buy in touristy places charge you an arm and a leg. So with the added cost of souvenirs, well...they could even go through more than 700 galleons on a week's vacation.
- Broadwaykat on January 14 2013 07:58 AM



I always assumed that the expense came from the actual traveling. For example: apparating with that many people isn't logical. Even using one portkey would be difficult. I assumed the money went for paying for setting up the floo network or a portkey.
Sure, a lot of money would be spent while over there, but it's illogical to assume that no money was spent getting over there.
- killey2011 on January 15 2013 02:09 AM



I don’t believe that the Weasley’s Apperated to Egypt because Ron seems quite impressed that Harry did Side-Along Apperation when he was with Dumbledore visiting Slughorn. Apperation seems to get harder the farther away you Apperate, which leads me to believe that it is only usefully for relatively short distances (within Britain, for example). I bet that the Weasley’s or any other magical family who is traveling internationally would go through the Ministry to get a Portkey. As for visa’s, I guess the bigger question is if the magical community is recognized by the British government. If you are a Muggle Brit and plan to travel to Egypt, you would need to get a passport and a visa through the government which would recognize you as a citizen. Are wizards legally citizens? I can only really speak for the United States, in which, upon your birth, you get a Social Security number. From then on, you report to the government every year to file taxes. Does the same go for wizards? Do they get a formal birth certificate from the government? Or is there another legal system through the Ministry of Magic that tracks the population? I know that this goes a bit off topic, but I always wondered how Harry fits into this. I assume that the Dursley’s had to have some type of legal form for him or else he would not be able to register for Muggle school. Did the Muggle British government every wonder why Harry (from their perspective) drop off the face of the Earth once he turned 11? Long story short, if the Weasley’s were never registered as official British citizens, they wouldn’t have been able to get a Muggle passport unless there are some wizards manipulating the system behind the scenes. I sure hope that the Egyptian wizard government knew that they were visiting.
- RoseLumos on January 15 2013 12:38 PM



I agree that trip expenses likely included some sort of travel costs (I like the wizarding travel agents setting up portkeys idea), whatever the wizarding equivalent of passports/visas are, lodging, food, tickets to wizarding tourist spots, and souvenirs. (I'm sure Percy's fez wasn't cheap.) I don't know a lot about the climates in England and Egypt, but I'd guess they are quite different, so appropriate clothing might have to be purchased. All of that times 7 (I'm assuming Bill and Charlie paid their own way for stuff as they are adults...) adds up!

Also, wherever they went, they'd have to replace anything destroyed by Fred and George, which, depending on the day, could be nothing, or it could be a lot.
- jessfudd on January 16 2013 02:02 PM



We also have to remember that there may be wizarding exchange rates; we don't know that they use Galleons, Sickles, and Knuts in Egypt. I also think Ron might be exagerrating; would Molly and Arthur really tell their kids how much money everything was costing? Perhaps Ron just assumed most of the money was used on the trip, and then some of the rest on his wand. (which by the way, can we talk about Ron's new wand using the info on Pottermore when we get to that chapter? I think we could really analyze Ron's character through it.)
- Ali Wood on January 16 2013 08:51 PM



I think that they probably had to pay for some form of wizard travel which probably isn't as expensive as muggle travel (although if they had the money I'm sure Arthur would have loved to fly in an airplane). Then when they got there they probably paid for someplace to live or maybe stayed with Bill? Along with that they would have to pay for food, admission to the tombs or attractions, and souvenirs. I'm sure they would have to talk to the Ministry's Department of Transportation to work out a method of travel.
- Minerva Arcturus Shacklebolt on January 17 2013 01:36 PM



I was confused on how the Weasleys actually got there in the first place and I began thinking about all the ways wizards travel, and how it would cost money.
Apparition: Maybe there is an allotted amount of Apparition allowed before a certain price must be paid, and over long distances the price goes up.
Floo Powder: I fancy an idea that there are toll fireplaces in which wizards automatically drop when passing.
Portkey: I think this is most likely what the Weasleys used, although, I cant find a reason to pay for it.
After that, the list goes on, but I feel as though lodging near landmarks must have been extremely expensive. Actually a Muggle trip to Egypt would cost much more. And with souveniers and money saved and left over, the trip didn't come as cheap as we think.
- alex24601 on January 18 2013 02:47 AM



I think that a lot of their travel costs depend on exactly how long they are on holiday. Since the Hogwarts term always ends at the end of July and the cutting from the Daily Prophet said that the Weasley's will be returning in time for the beginning of the new fall term, the trip appears to have lasted approximately two months. So, consider: that's room and board, meals, luggage and probably some souvenirs for a family of four adults (Arthur, Molly, Bill and Charley) and five children (Percy, Fred, George, Ron and Ginny). It may also be possible that some of the destinations on their trip include an additional admission fee (if they attended any concerts, special exhibitions, etc.). 700 galleons may seem like a lot for an average sized family of four who are only going on holiday for a week or two, but for nine people who are traveling for two months, it actually seems amazing to me that there is money left over after the trip to buy Ron a new wand at Ollivanders.

As far as international travel guidelines in the wizarding world, I don't remember reading anything in Goblet of Fire that said that foreign wizards have to buy passports to visit other countries, but that may be a possibility depending on what country you are traveling to. If so, those things can also get kind of pricey.
- Dream_Quaffle on January 18 2013 03:14 AM



I'm inclined to agree with everyone talking about taking a Portkey to Egypt. I think there would be some sort of licensing fee to set one up, though, because Fudge makes a really big deal about the fact that Dumbledore set up an illegal Portkey to send the Weasleys and Harry to Grimmauld Place when Arthur is injured in book 5. So, to get a Portkey to Egypt, the Weasleys probably had to go through an agency or pay money to the Ministry.
I always assumed they just stayed with Bill. However, I do like Caleb's idea that Molly and Arthur kind of went all out on the vacation because they don't get to do things like this very often.
I would guess that a lot of money also went on food, because though Bill probably has a kitchen, I assume the Weasleys would want to try some local food.
And finally, tickets to attractions would, I think, be the biggest cost. Ron definitely talks about guides taking them through the pyramids, which suggests some sort of organized company that runs a tour system.
Or maybe the Weasleys just went on a package tour--and they had to pay a per-person fee that included travel, accommodation, food, some tickets etc. Though I think this is a little unlikely because they do have Bill who probably knows all the good places to go and has connections.
- suprememugwump on January 20 2013 05:08 PM



I had always assumed that they used a portkey to travel, as some other people have mentioned. Although I love the idea of Mr. Weasly in an airport and taking a plane ride. I can imagine him being fascinated with the muggle security and thrilled with trying to figure out exactly how the airplane stayed up. I can just picture him trying to convince Mrs. Weasly that they should use muggle means of travel.

Although I would hope that there are some wizard rules about international travel, it seems to me that they are rather lax. We know that Voldemort has spent some time in Romania and I can't imagine the Romanian magical government would have welcomed him with open arms had they known he was coming for a visit. Although being that he wasn't actually a person at the time, it may have been easier for him to move around. (that also just made me think of when Wormtail brings him back from Romania, do you think he would need to declare Voldemort on a customs form?).

Wizards seem pretty lax about everything else so I don't know why they would be big sticklers for international travel regulations.
- SocksForDobby on January 22 2013 11:18 AM



I think most about where the galleons went has already been said so there's not much for me to add, but regarding SocksForDobby's mention of Voldemort and Wormtail traveling abroad; I sincerely doubt that wizards operating in secret would go through the trouble of complying with procedures. That'd defeat their entire purpose; to not be seen or caught. I do think there would be repercussions if a Ministry of whatever country would uncover a wizard travelling illegally, but then again, there are many magical means to conceal yourself. But as I don't doubt the Weasleys' willingness to operate within the law, I think it's very likely that they had travel and visa costs from their own Ministry for Magic and from that of Egypt.

RoseLumos wrote something about how Harry disappeared off the map for the British government when turning 11- I always assumed the answer was pretty easy. Ministry officials ensure that the records are wiped clean for Muggleborns who agree to enter Hogwarts School. If this didn't happen, parents of Muggleborns would get inquiries as to why they are denying their children education since they aren't registered at any school. So I think it's safe to assume that happens. :)
- Saiyangirl on January 22 2013 12:45 PM



Hello, it's not free to STAY in Egypt. I don't mean to be rude, really-but does anyone here think that the Weasleys either slept in the sand beside a pyramid, or that they got rooming for free? If you think they took a tent-well you still have to pay to rent the spot where you are putting your tent. Has anyone here actually been camping? It's not free unless you go somewhere that's not a campsite: and how could the Weasleys do that? Hello, it's freakin Egypt. They need water. They need food. They are going to have to stay at least near a settlement, if they are camping, therefore they must pay for their spot.

As for the traveling-I doubt that's free either. You need permission to get a portkey OR travel by floo, which is not an option to Egypt, really. So, why would they not pay some galleons to get all the way there with portkey? They might. So unless all the Weasleys rode broomsticks...I'm surprised they had any money left over after the vacation. They must be smart shoppers and didn't buy too much extra luxuries.
- patronuscharm357 on January 22 2013 04:57 PM



I think the Weasley's traveled by portkey ( as others have suggested) to go to Egypt. If travel in the wizarding world is similar to travel in the muggle world, there would be customs to go to and certain portkey points ( similar to airports) to go through and arrive at. Also they are probably costly if it is international. Once there the Weasleys would need a place to stay ( If they didn't stay with Bill ) and would probably spend money on tourist attractions and souviners and such. I believe the Weasley's spent most of the summer there as well so that would extend the cost of the trip. Ron could have exagerated the amount spent as well so it makes sense that they could have spent a large portion of the winnings on the trip to Egypt.
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