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Posted by Noah on February 10 2013 03:43 PM (32 Comments)


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Just listened to the podcast! I really enjoyed it, especially the chapter discussions, especially the comments about Ron. Poor Ron. Good stuff on dementors, too!
- VirtualWeasley on February 10 2013 06:41 PM



Answering noah question but what core hagrid wand is. I found this off Google. They say it is unknown. But it also says it is made out of unicorn tail hairs. I don't think that right! Now Noah!! Noah says that hagrid wand is 16 inches but people
say it 17 inches but its OK. Also hagrid wand is make of oak. On a another note Google says that Hagrid core is unknown as I said. But people says that hagrid umbrella might have to do with his core but that makes no senses to me.
- Ollivander The Wand Maker on February 10 2013 07:58 PM



This is for Kat Miller. I found information on blackthorn cores. That they are noticeably clumsy. And less powerfully. That's why Harry had a hard time useing the wand. The wand was making Harry's spells very clumsy. Like in the 7 book. Where they where at the camp. When Harry made that flotating newspaper ball fire. When flicked his wand at it it made. Huge fireball. And a question I was think why would as said by I think Ms Kate Miller. That only people who owned blackthorn wand's where satchers. But that does that make any sense to me. Why would u give a satcher a blackthorn wand when they are less powerful and clumsy?
- Ollivander The Wand Maker on February 10 2013 08:16 PM



On the James Potter Head Boy thing:

It is said by Hermione in HBP, (when Harry receives the Gryffindor Team Captaincy,) that Harry now has equal status as Ron and Hermione, who are both prefects. She says, "...and you get to use our special bathroom and everything!" This, I believe, is how James was able to become Head Boy. He became Gryffindor Captain and that allowed him to sidestep the prefect prerequisite to became Head Boy. I can't remember if there is a passing reference to James being the Gryffindor Captain in the books, (or if somehow I've just automatically gotten that impression,) but, I tried to factcheck, and on the HPL they don't mention him ever being Captain, (only that he was a chaser,) though on the Harry Potter Wiki they say he was indeed Captain. So, there are some conflicting reports on this it seems. If anyone can think of a passage that mentions James being a Captain, please do comment after this! I really feel like someone does mention this, though I can't think who or in what book... :( If no hard book-cannon evidence turns up, then I'll just imagine that he was Gryffindor Captain and that that's how he became Head Boy...though another possibility is that Dumbledore threw out all the rules and picked James anyway, regardless of his non-prefect, (and possible non-captain,) status.
- rebeccatheravenclaw on February 11 2013 03:34 AM



So, I was looking through the book when I came across something about pictures again. Percy was angry at Ron for spilling tea on it, and that she was hiding because it caused her nose to be blotchy. If something from the outside can affect the picture as deeply as changing the way it looks, does that mean pictures are closer to the physical world?
- killey2011 on February 11 2013 04:54 PM



This is about why the Weasley's are always so late to the the train. What if it goes by some type of alphabetical order. That would explain why other students are they're first, and the Weasley's are always freakishly late.
- killey2011 on February 11 2013 05:56 PM



so i would really like to know why there is no wizarding orphanage .. and also why did scabbers not show up as peter pettigrew on the marauders map earlier?
- albusseverus on February 11 2013 06:30 PM



Ollivander does actually does get some of his own wand cores, as we learn in Goblet of Fire, regarding Cedric's wand: (pg 309, US edition):

"Yes, I remember it well. Containing a single hair from the tail of a particularly fine male unicorn . . . must have been seventeen hands; nearly gored me with his horn after I plucked his tail."

I would imagine he has a source for dragon heartstrings, as I doubt Ollivander goes around killing dragons, and likely goes to Dumbledore for phoenix feathers, but he does do the unicorn tail hairs on his own, which makes him way more awesome than he was before.
- the head girl on February 11 2013 08:44 PM



@killey2011
I love the idea that Hogwarts alphabetized the order of students' arrivals but, surely Blaise Zabini would be right behind the Weasley's trying to get on the train? Also, if it was alphabetized shouldn't that have been stated somehow on Harry's first year acceptance letter so he wouldn't show in the middle of say, the "k" people's time slot...? Unless this is more like an unwritten rule kind of thing that the wizards just know, and because Harry's new he doesn't...which if that's the case, that is really unfair to muggleborns! Anyway, that's probably enough rambling from me...I'll let the hosts discuss this next episode! :)
- rebeccatheravenclaw on February 11 2013 10:48 PM



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- ChaserMarauder1382 on February 12 2013 08:00 AM



Yea,i not working. I tryed ever way i know now. But you got the app. Or you can get the espisode on
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- Ollivander The Wand Maker on February 12 2013 02:58 PM



This is for "Alohomora" when we comment or anything if we mess up. Or you know spelling mess up. You can delete the post That would be Awsome guys!!
- Ollivander The Wand Maker on February 12 2013 03:07 PM



In regards to the arrival of all the wizards for the Hogwarts Express, what if instead of staggered time arrivals it was that the families are assigned different platforms that all led to the Hogwarts Expess kind of like a portkey. For example Harry , the Weasleys and other wizards are assigned platform 9 3/4 and other families platform 8 5/7 and others 12 6/8 etc. that way one platform wouldnt be so crowded and noticed by Muggles.
- FawkesFan on February 13 2013 09:46 AM



@fawkesfan
I LOVE that! I'm pretty sure on Pottermore Jo said there ere other odd platforms with fractions hidden in between the muggle platforms. If what @Fawkesfan is suggesting is true, is it serendipitous that Harry and the Weasley's got the same platforms or is it another instance of Dumbledore orchestrating Harry's life...?
- rebeccatheravenclaw on February 13 2013 11:27 AM



I am a new listener to the show and wanted to weigh in on the nature vs nurture arguement. I have to agree with Kat that the most important aspect of who we or these characters become is based on the choices made in life. You guys compare Harry and Voldemort and draw your conclusions based on these two characters, but what about Snape?? similar upbringing with a lack of love and apparent neglect as seen when harry later breaks into Snapes memory and sees his parents arguing and snape crying in the corner. Snape started the way of the dark arts even with his love for Lily. made bad choices and after her death then chose to be the great person he then became. Snape's character could have been evil and even started down that path, but his choice to turn good for a love that was never returned shows that our choices are the more influencial.
Love the Show!!!
- Alan2xtreme on February 13 2013 12:40 PM



I totally agree with you Alan2xtreme! I wrote something very similar in the comments on the home page for the last podcast. Unfortunately it wasnt read on thi podcast. Maybe yours will
- FawkesFan on February 14 2013 10:46 AM



Here is what I wrote last week. I agree with Kat about the whole evil vs good and choices debate. Tom and Harry were both raised under unfortunate circumstances. Tom with more evil tendencies chose to act on them and not look back. Harry chose not to as much. In the books we tend to look at Tom as evil and harry as good. What about Snape? He too was born as a half blood in a poor family environment and at first chose to be bad but in the end chose to be good. So i believe Dumbledore was correct in saying it is our choices that show who we truely are. And Sirius says " We have all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. Thats who we really are. "
- FawkesFan on February 14 2013 02:11 PM



When you were speaking about how Hogwarts had a drama department, a funny image popped into my head. Then I realized that it was an interesting point. What if wizards put their own spin on muggle plays and musicals? For your entertainment, I have collected the images from my head.
If the wizards did:
Les Miserables: Do you hear the wizards sing? Singing the songs of wands and spells?
Wicked: No one mourns the wizard (Good News!)
Romeo and Juliet: Deny my father and become a blood traitor. I'll no longer be a pureblood.
I know this doesn't make much sense, but enjoy anyway. :-)
- alex24601 on February 16 2013 03:35 PM



That'd be hilarious to see spin-offs on muggle plays and musicals. I love what you did with those three.

I've always assumed that the wizard plays, books, fairy tales, etc were unique to wizardkind. Mostly because the anti-muggle attitude seems quite pervasive in wizarding culture. Voldemort didn't create it - he capitalized on people's prejudices, fears, and pride.
I figure half-bloods or muggle borns may know and appreciate muggle literature/plays/music but most purebloods would be totally clueless. Look at Ron much of the time.
- HPAlison on February 16 2013 05:48 PM



On the topic of Hermione having been warned about Trelawny: In the first book, on page 260 of the American edition, Hermione says, "It sounds like fortune-telling to me, and Professor McGonagall says that's a very imprecise branch of magic." So, going into Divination, she already had doubts due to her trust of McGonagall.
- KittiAutumn on February 18 2013 05:03 PM



I posted this in the 'Question Of The Week' section, as well, but some of the things I said are more appropriate here.

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Indeed, the title is stamped on Lupin's case in peeling letters, indicating it's been there a while. This doesn't make a lot of sense. I think it's probably more likely that Jo' simply wrote this as an indication of his poverty, getting the information she needed across without stopping to really think through the implications. Though, one might take it as something that shows he's had previous teaching experience. On the other hand, it's hard for me to imagine Lupin has taught elsewhere, unless it was a wizarding school (like Durmstrang, or Beauxbatons) in another country, and the folks running that school were even more tolerant of werewolves than Dumbledore, which strikes me as exceedingly unlikely. Also, Lupin could not have taught in a Muggle university, or even a secondary school, because he doesn't have any qualification that the Muggles recognise as a university degree. It wouldn't even make sense for him to fake his way in with forged papers, because he wouldn't have a sufficient body of knowledge in any subject that Muggles want to learn. But primary school might just be possible; as he's a half-blood, he probably has enough general knowledge to carry it all off. Then again, we have to think about Lupin's condition, and I am sure he would be afraid to teach in a Muggle school, fearing that he might accidentally harm someone.

I love the idea that others have brought up, that Lupin's case was a gift from James, Sirius, and Peter, maybe for his birthday or something. Even though Remus is probably seeing his future life as bleak (how many jobs would accept a werewolf?), the other three are sure that their bookish friend will be able to do anything, including coming back to Hogwarts (Dumbledore likes werewolves, after all!) as a professor. So it's a kind of 'chin up, Moony, we know you can do it!' sort of thing. And then Remus would treasure it now because it was a gift from them before their lives all fell apart.
And he probably wouldn't fix it magically because it was a gift from Potter and Black, and who knows what sort of magic they themselves put on it or how it would react if you tried anything magical!

I am sure Jo' will tell us in his biography on Pottermore, which I am craving to the point where I can't wait any longer!

About the Hogwarts credentials; I completely agree with what others have said, about how you do need certain qualifications, unless you are applying for the D.A.D.A. job, because almost nobody wants the job, given that it's jinxed. As well, we know Hagrid's case is special, and Trelawney's as well.

Another thing, a full moon actually fell on 31 August, 1993. So, the night before the train ride was the night when Lupin was up howling, and that is why he is so completely knocked out today. I do wonder why he was on the train in the first place, instead of using Floo to get to Hogwarts. Was he really too exhausted even to do that much? Or had Dumbledore deliberately planted him there to keep an eye on Harry? And, I wonder what would have happened had Lupin been awake and conversing and had possibly noticed Scabbers in the train … Sirius says later on that he recognised Peter in his animagus form because of how many times he had seen him transform, and also because he was missing a finger. Maybe Lupin would not have recognised him as easily as Sirius for some other reason, but I think he would have … and I also wonder what is going on in Peter's rat-like brain. There's a cat in the cabin trying to kill you because it knows what you are; then there's your old buddy from school who will now be a teacher; and also, the son of the man you betrayed and his two friends are discussing another old friend of yours, whom you framed for multiple murders, and who now broke out of Azkaban supposedly to kill Harry, when he's really after you. No wonder he lost a lot of weight.

Also, I am curious as to which people dementors prefer to go after (at least while they're still under Ministry control). Is it the outlaws they're searching for? Is it happy people, with lots of memories for them to feed on? Is it people with horrors in their past (who would have a harder time defending themselves via Patronuses), on whom they can have the greatest effect? Well, since not only Harry reacted strongly to the dementors that night on the train, but Ginny as well, I think it more likely that the dementors were attracted to the scarred memories both have. It's been only a few months since Ginny was possessed by Tom Riddle, and it's more than likely that she's still traumatized by what happened then. Needless to say, Harry also hasn't had a pleasant past. Dementors are the core essence of depression and unpleasantness; thus, they are attracted to miserable people or to those who had lived an unpleasant life - sucking in their remaining bits of happiness, in order for them to completely wallow in that unfortunate person's misery.

On another note, I find it interesting that Lupin knows so much about dementors. He's a good teacher and researched them, but I like to think there is more to it. Dementors are depression in a physical form. Lupin, who has been shunned by society for being a werewolf and lost his closest friends, probably knows a thing or two about depression. And why did he have such a big bar of chocolate on him? I assume that since it is the day after the full moon, he selected a big bar in order to help him cope with what he had just been through.

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Professor Trelawney's predictions are made quite general most of the time. However, I am astounded by the fact that all the predictions she makes follow up on in some way later on. For example, she tells Parvati she should 'beware a red-haired man;' and well, Ron was a red-head and he took Parvati's twin, Padma, to the dance. So, I connect this to the fiasco at the dance. I know it's a stretch, but it still seems logical to me. Then she says 'And around Easter, one of our number will leave us forever.' That's Hermione, of course, as Lavender points out later on. Afterwards, Trelawney says to Lavender 'That thing you are dreading - it will happen on the 16th of October.' Lavender gets a letter on that day, stating the fact that her rabbit had been killed by a fox. Hermione is against it, though, saying she wasn't even dreading her rabbit's death to begin with - but one could argue that. She then predicts the breaking of Neville's cup, which does happen. Then again, you don't need to be a Seer to predict that.
As well, in the episode, you got it wrong: It's Harry who says to Ron 'You're going to suffer but be very happy,' (which completely applies to Ron in every sense). They switched it up in the film. And it's Ron who says to Harry 'Maybe you're going to work for the Ministry of Magic,' which of course, we know he ends up doing. Also the 'windfall, unexpected gold,' most likely refers to what happened to Harry in Goblet of Fire, as Rosie pointed out. Now, going back to Trelawney's predictions: 'The deadly enemy': Voldy, obviously, as Hermione POINTS OUT so dismissively, because she's a rebel now. 'An attack': Happens at the end of the book, obviously. 'Danger in your path': When is Harry NOT in danger? And as it was also pointed out, the constant mention of the Grim might be referring to Sirius's presence in animagus form, rather than Harry's own death. Or perhaps it's referring to the eventual death of the Horcrux inside Harry.
As well, you may recall her mentioning at Christmas to 'Never forget that when thirteen dine together, the first to rise will be first to die!' Now, before you say that neither Harry nor Ron die first, even though they are supposedly the first to rise from the Christmas dinner later on, I might remind you that there were actually thirteen people BEFORE Trelawney joined them to eat: You can't forget that Pettigrew/Scabbers was still in Ron's pocket. Which means that the first to rise before Trelawney turned up should be first to die. And that was Dumbledore, who got up first to greet the Divination Professor. And amongst the thirteen people that were there (Dumbledore, McGonagall, Snape, Sprout, Flitwick, Filch, two first years, a Slytherin fifth year, Harry, Ron, Scabbers/Pettigrew, and Hermione), we obviously know Dumbledore dies first; thus making her prediction come true. Not only that, but also in book five, there is a point in Grimmauld Place where thirteen people dine together, and Sirius is the first to rise from that meal, and as we know, he dies in that same book, making Trelawney's prediction come true once more. Moreover, after the Battle of Little Whinging in book seven, thirteen people gathered at The Burrow to mourn the loss of Alastor Moody. Remus Lupin is the first to rise to offer to look for the body. Lupin was later killed by Antonin Dolohov at the Battle of Hogwarts, and was the first to die amongst the group of people gathered there, thus making Professor Trelawney's prediction come true yet again.
- Have a biscuit Potter on February 18 2013 06:13 PM



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- ChaserMarauder1382 on February 19 2013 08:11 AM



I think there are many possibilities for why the grim was in Harry's cup. The one that I've always thought was it was the horcrux in him that died.
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