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This fandom loves shipping! Especially in these last chapters, it seemed to me that there was some indication - dare I say it? - of something going on between Harry and Hermione.

Our main question for this week's episode is this: Did Jo intentionally leave some ships in the series and not complete the romantic pairing, just to lead us on? Specifically, did she leave hints in the book about something between Harry and Hermione that meant more than just... simple friendship?

Let the controversy begin! Some responses to this question will be read on the next episode of Alohomora!


Posted by Noah on February 24 2013 04:45 PM (19 Comments)


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The short answer is no. There is something about this fandom that is so desperate to ship that they see ships everywhere. To be fair, the Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny ships do eventuate but with all the mysteries within the main text I think fans looked for clues in everything and were quick to jump to conclusions. Fans also got very attached to their theories and some even refuse to abandon them after the series was finished and Jo told us who ended up with who (I'm looking at you Luna/Neville shippers).
In the end i think many of us confused friendship with romance, something that happens to many teens (and adults) in the real world.
- Hulk-Harry on February 24 2013 08:02 PM



I don't think Jo's intention was to lead us on. I believe that she knew from he beginning that it would be Ron with Hermione and Harry with Ginny. I think for the first couple of books, when the kids were younger, she left romance out of the books intentionally. It didn't fit the characters or her readership. I was around the same age as the kids when I first read these books, and I never thought there was anything romantic between Harry and Hermione. I think the problems is that older readers look for romance everywhere, because that's what they're used to books. Reading back now I can envision there being something between Harry and Hermione, but I could also say that Hermione has a crush on Hagrid because she's so willing to help him. You can always make something out of nothing. I think that we're reading into it the way we want to, and not necessarily how Jo meant us to.
- LeslieLovegood on February 24 2013 08:07 PM



I have to say simply no, there's nothing beside deep friendship, to the point where they are almost siblings, between Harry and Hermione. I, personally, think Hermione might have liked Harry when they were young, but she was always attracted to Ron, even if she didn't realize it. Harry and Hermione were both very much alone in the Muggle world, and I feel like this brought them together. Especially as she grew older and got more involved in the wizarding world, I think Hermione withdrew from her parents, for their safety if nothing else. She and Harry became each other's wizarding family (you could argue they were adopted into the Weasleys, but I think to some regard, until they married in, they themselves didn't feel entirely part of it.) Ron may be Harry's best friend, he and Hermione might be in love, but Harry and Hermione have a special kind of friendship, and that's all.
- Ali Wood on February 24 2013 10:58 PM



I'm going to have to agree with the three before me when I say that I don't think there were intentional red herrings in the romance department, particularly in terms of Harry and Hermione. I know we try to stick to book cannon here, but there's a scene in the Half-Blood Prince film adaptation that I feel sums up the relationship between Harry and Hermione. Hermione asks Harry about how he feels when he sees Ginny with Dean in order to commiserate or qualify or justify her feelings when she sees Ron with Lavender. They share this bittersweet and heartbreaking moment that is indicative of a close and trusting friendship.

In terms of Neville and Luna, to add to the thought of Hulk-Harry, even if they did have a relationship, there's no way that readers would know about it. With a few exceptions, readers see everything from Harry's point of view. If the relationship wasn't pertinent to the story that was being told, we didn't see or hear abou it. And that's okay. It's a limitation of the third person limited omniscient perspective. And I honestly believe that the story would have been even more limited from a first person point of view and just overwhelming from a third person omniscient point of view.

This, my fellow Potterheads, is what fanfic is all about.
- thebooksupplier on February 24 2013 11:09 PM



I see no evidence that JK Rowling ever intended to hint at the possibility of a romantic relationship between Harry and Hermione. What I see when I look at these interactions is a very deep friendship that in some ways is the strongest of the trio.

There are multiple times in the series when Ron is on bad terms with Harry or Hermione and they remain close. Hermione is the one who understands Harry during his trials in both the Goblet of Fire and Deathly Hallows, where Ron struggles to come to grips with what is happening with Harry and what Harry has to do.

The notion that their friendship is among the deepest in the series is confirmed when Harry describes Hermione as being like her sister, and I believe that, while Ron ends up being her boyfriend and husband, Harry was and will always be her closest friend.
- Snakebites on February 25 2013 12:04 AM



Hermione and Harry are simply too similar to ever be a couple if they were real people (oh right, they are!), but that doesn't mean I don't ship them! There's just something about this fandom that makes us want to ship people automatically. Perhaps it's because there are so many in-depth characters we identify with, or just because when two people are either best friends or worst enemies, the fandom ships them.
- cloverlover on February 25 2013 07:55 AM



I got into Harry Potter after all the books had been out, and I watched each movie after I read each book. It was pretty obvious that Harry and Ginny were going to end up together, but I didn't even know there was anything going on between Ron and Hermione until the last book. Perhaps it was because I was just extremely unobservant, but I do believe that JKR started writing romance in at the perfect time.
- cloverlover on February 25 2013 07:57 AM



I can't even begin to speculate about JKR's intentions, however, I know that in my experience as a young teen, I feel in and out of "love" with my guy friends all the time. At some point or another, I had a crush and/or special connection with almost all of my male friends at one point or another, but that never developed into an actual romantic relationship. I feel like this is an experience that most of my female friends had as well. Perhaps it was some of this experience of being a teen girl that colored the complexities of the interpersonal relationships.
- jessfudd on February 25 2013 09:30 AM



I do not think that Jo left hints about Harry and Hermione. That is clearest to us because we read from Harry's point of view. That being said, there had to be something to the closeness of their relationship from the perspective of others, or there wouldn't have been anything for Ron to feel jealous of, particularly in Deathly Hallows.
- Silverdoe25 on February 25 2013 07:32 PM



With JKR nothing is a coincidence, IMO. If there were hints of romance, it was so we could speculate. It's part of the pleasure of a good read. In my experience, I loved Harry and Hermione the best of all the characters, so there was a natural tendency for me to think they would make a good pair. I changed on that. And when I started to notice signs that seemed like a Ron/Hermione pair-up was inevitable, I was dismayed. Not alot because the romance part wasn't that important to me. I simply couldn't understand how a smart cookie like Hermione could fancy a Neanderthal like Ron. But as time went on I grew to see how the final couplings were perfect.

First, the bickerings. I questioned the happiness or success of a relationship that antagonistic. Harry didn't engage in this with Hermione. He didn't need to. As best friends his position of power was never in question, but had they embarked on a relationship, eventually he may have started bickering with her too as she had a natural tendency to be bossy and controlling and a desire to be right. She needed someone to boss around and Harry would never have gone along with that. It was acceptable in a friend, but not a lover. Also Harry needed a partner with a good sense of humor. Even a wicked sense of humor. Hermione...not so much. Ginny on the other hand was funny and smart. She was exceptionally powerful by nature, and they shared a love of Quidditch. Harry and Ginny were both powerful, talented and passionate. And remember he liked that she wasn't weepy.

At the end of the day, I think the pairs were perfect and because of that the platonic friendship between Harry and Hermione was elevated even further. I loved thinking of them as being the closest even if they fancied someone else. Love relationships can be complicated, but the depth of trust, understanding and loyalty between Harry and Hermione is profound and somehow more sublime.
- nana on February 26 2013 06:03 PM



Yes, I do think that Jo left hints, because as we all know, she usually comes back to the hints that are left. She has said that Luna and Neville became closer then she had intended, so the Neville/Luna shippers did have a reason to hope.

In terms of Hermione/Ron/Harry I don't think it was intentional until the fifth book. Jo has mentioned that at a point in writing OOTP she had planned to kill Ron, which would have left the Harmony shippers room to grow in that relationship. However, she did not kill Ron and he was saved leading these trails to hint at the romantic relationships between Ginny/Harry and Ron/Hermione to grow.
In all I think that Jo lets her characters go and then changes their paths as she sees fit.
- HGHR_fan on February 26 2013 06:56 PM



Generally, I do not think Jo left any ships intentionally, perhaps with the exception of Harry/Hermione/Ron. She might have wanted there to be some tension there, but I think an objective reader rather quickly can collect that Ron and Hermione are the future couple if there ever is going to be one. (Which there will! Woho!)

Harry and Hermione are more than friends, for sure, but what they have is nothing romantic. They are both each others missing sibling.

Ron has enough siblings, and perhaps Harry, however included he is in the Weasley family, feels that.

I think Harry more easily can bond with Hermione in this sibling way because they both lack siblings themselves. Not to say Harry is better friends with Hermione than Ron, because they are just as equally good friends - just in different ways.

To answer your specific example from the podcast: From my own experience, it is easier to talk about emotional stuff and physically touch someone you are really good friends with, but only friends with. When you get close to someone you have a crush on, you tend to think about your every move and spoken line. To grab my crush's arm like Hermione does Harry's, at thirteen (even now, I suppose), I would worry about how she would take it, and if you could feel the warmth that goes off inside me etc.

The scene at the end of the CoS movie, where Hermione hugs Harry but shake hands with Ron, I think, is an example of what I mean. Hermione can easily hug Harry, and he her, because they are secure in their feelings towards each other. I don't think that can be said about Hermione and Ron.
- NightStrike91 on February 27 2013 11:12 AM



Yes, and another important thing Harry and Hermione share is that they were both brought up completely within the Muggle world. Only they know what that is like and I imagine it gives them a certain perspective on life the others could never have. I like the missing sibling point too. I just think their relationship is the deepest of all because it is not bogged down in any way by attraction and romance. Real love.
- nana on February 27 2013 03:23 PM



"Brought up in a Muggle world the only child to their family, they were to each other the sibling they never had."
- CentaurSeeker121 on February 27 2013 10:51 PM



I believe that there is no romantic relationship between Harry and Hermione there is chemistry between them. I think Jo wanted to show how their friendship has evolved into more of a sibling relationship. They are both muggle raised and view the wizard world differently. I also think she trusts Harry more than Ron in the beginning because Harry is the one who decided to save her from the troll in the first place and they both are more comfortable with each other. Unlike Hermione and Ron's relationship which is rocky during this book and at one point they stop talking to each other.
- IBelieveNargles on February 27 2013 10:55 PM



I'm even suspicious of relationships which are presented as such. I will go so far as to say there's no real romantic relationship between Percy Weasley and Penelope Clearwater. For Prefects with free run of the school, the sure are seen conspicuously together a lot. And then to get caught by Percy's own sister? Puh-lease. An obvious set up by two people who just want a little attention.
- SicklesAndDimes on March 01 2013 10:06 PM



I think, as readers, we see all these "ships" and try to fit them to our preferences. However, as an author, I do not believe that Jo was leaving certain ships open just to lead us on. At this point in the series, Jo may not have been positive about ho she wanted Harry and Hermione to end up with, but as the series goes on, all of the ships left open, i believe, are unintentional.
- Honeydukes on March 03 2013 04:22 PM



I think that as you go through life you might experiment with certain relationships to see where things go. Hermione was impressed by Harry ever since she'd read about him before her first year. Harry and Ron were her best and closest friends so she'd be very attached to them and would likely form a romantic relationship with one of them. I think any girl in Hermione's situation would be impressed by Harry and might have thought about him romantically at one point. She, like Ginny did later in the books, turned off, sort of, her feelings for Harry and began to look at Ron in a different way. In short, its definitely possible JKR meant to leave hints at a possible relationship. Everyone has crushes on people and and its where these crushes end up that determine whether there was a serious relationship there or not. I personally felt that while reading the third book especially, that Harry and Hermione might date or something. I think that the lack of Ron on their time-traveling adventure had something to do with that but, as time went on the feelings did mature for Ron and Hermione and didn't for Harry.
- Minerva Arcturus Shacklebolt on March 03 2013 04:32 PM



No. It was never meant to be Harry/Hermione. We get a direct quote from the books when Harry says He loves Hermione as a sister and she surely feels the same way.
I believe it has always been like that, Jo wanted Harry and Hermione to grow as siblings seeing as both of them were only childs. From fairly early you could tell that it was Ron and not Harry that was to be with Hermione. Whenever Hermione gave Harry a kiss on the cheek, or hugged him but not Ron it was because she hesitated to hug the guy she liked. Her love for Harry has always been brotherly.
I'm sorry to all the Harry/Hermione shippers but you guys got it wrong.
- HPotterox97 on March 04 2013 04:45 PM



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