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Podcast Question of the Week – Episode 136

“Midway through the series […] I did seriously consider killing Ron.” – J. K. Rowling

As Rowling revealed, she considered killing Ron off, and at this chapter’s conclusion, Ron comes as close to death as he ever would. Would this have been the place to kill Ron? If not here, where in the series would this decision have best served the narrative? When selecting a point for this event, be sure to consider the effects on the characters and the storyline as a whole.

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  • This would actually have been a perfect place to kill off Ron. From the end of this chapter forward we would have seen a completely different story and ending. Harry would change. We would see the aggressive and initiative taking Harry from book 5 again, ready to stop playing games and end the war right then and there. His studying and hunt for Horcruxes would be extremely more difficult. Harry wouldn’t have the patience to sit down and learn anymore. The time for action would be then and there.

    Hopefully this would drive Dumbledore from his riddle games and ways of teaching and bring him to Harry’s side, all secrets revealed and a full on frontal force engaged. They would be actively hunting and being direct with one another.

    I solemnly believe Hermione would grow distant. This would be Harry’s doing. He would want her out if harms way and push her away.

    I can go on with specifics, but the general idea is that things would have changed drastically, probably for the better.

  • Hufflepug

    I haven’t had time to listen to the episode yet, but I want to respond to this!

    I think it’s important to consider how the other deaths in the series would have played out if she had killed Ron. We should assume that Dumbledore would have died at the same point because that ended up being really important to how the rest of the series played out. I don’t think she would have wanted to kill two major characters that are loved by the readers in the same book, at least not until the seventh book when it’s more realistic and expected for a lot of characters to die. It would make Half-Blood Prince really shocking and depressing. I think Ron would have died in Deathly Hallows instead. I see a fitting death for Ron as a heroic one near the very end of the last book because otherwise it would have been way too hard for Harry and Hermione to continue the hunt for Horcruxes with that grief laying over them. Some deaths in the series have been motivators for positive change, but Ron dying would be several steps too far because losing a best friend is much harder than losing a classmate or a headmaster (I’m not saying those two deaths weren’t sad – it just would have been a whole different experience for Harry and Hermione). They could have succeeded in finishing their hunt for Horcruxes without him, but Ron’s death in the middle of the last book or even earlier in the series would have made the series even more focused on grief than it already is, which would lead to a really long, heavy, and sad final book. Did J.K Rowling kill Fred as a substitute for killing Ron?

    • ISeeThestrals

      You’re stating some of the things I was thinking. I was thinking if Ron had died, it would have been a bit of a disruption, not only for the characters, but readers as well. So far, Rowling has been leaving major deaths until the end of the book, with the exception being Hallows where deaths are occurring at several points in the narrative. Bit of a risk to kill a major character in the middle of the book, but an interesting idea. And of course, characters don’t always have to die near the end.

      • Hufflepug

        I think readers would have even lost trust in J.K. Rowling and thrown a fit.

    • PigPuff

      OMG I really hope she didn’t kill Fred as a substitute for Ron :(
      And I think you make a fantastic point about the grief factor. I think the losing Ron would have been too much for Harry’s character to deal with, which is maybe why Rowling decided to not include it. I think any other character (even Hermione) Harry would have been able to deal with the grief, but not Ron.

  • Casey L.

    I think if there was any place to kill Ron, it was in Sirius’ place at the end of Order of the Phoenix. Here is a bad time, because Harry has to get Slughorn’s memory, and anytime during Deathly Hallows is bad, because it distracts from the horcrux hunt. Killing him in Order gives a similar emotional impact as Sirius’ death, and it allows other characters – Neville for example, or maybe Ginny – to be brought forward. Or maybe even a more minor character – maybe Dean Thomas with his story line could have been brought into the story if Ron was killed.

    • I think if Ron died in this chapter all games would end. Dumbledore would end his games. He would take the memory from Slughorn, he would tell Harry everything, and things would be pushed forward. If Ron had died in Order, Harry would have had a far worse reaction than he had to Sirius. Remember how aggressive Harry became after Cedric. Imagine that, but far more immediate. Far more violent.

      • Casey L.

        Maybe . . . the big problem with Ron dying here, though is it’s way too easy for Slughorn to become the scapegoat and end up in Azkaban, out of Harry’s reach and maybe Dumbledore’s, too. And knowing what we know about the Ministry under Scrimgeour’s leadership at this point, I don’t think there’s any way Slughorn isn’t arrested if Ron dies.

        Also, Dumbledore was supposed to have told Harry everything at the end of Order, and if he didn’t then, I don’t think he ever would have, no matter what happened to Ron.

        • ISeeThestrals

          I kind of feel like Harry would throw his anger at Dumbledore again, as a needs to have someone to blame. If Harry learned shortly afterwards that Ron is dead because he was right about Draco being up to something. He was frustrated at feeling Dumbledore, and anyone else he confided in, was not listening to him about his opinions on Draco. I do think Ron’s death would have slowed down the book as depression set in. Harry might lose some of his motivation to continue his tasks.

          • QueenSilver171

            I agree that Harry would have raged against Dumbledore again. Although I do think that Dumbledore would have supplied all of the information to Harry once Ron died, I don’t think that Harry would have listened to Dumbledore. Instead, I think Harry would have ignored the horcrux mission (until at least the start of DH), and he would have done something completely foolish like attempt to kill Draco, or even call out Voldemort. A furious attack on Draco or Voldemort would have pushed Harry further away from embracing love, friendship, and humility in the face of Death, everything needed in DH to defeat Voldemort.

      • SpinnersEnd

        I can totally see how you would think that Dumbledore would reveal everything to Harry, but Dumbledore doesn’t tell Harry any more after Sirius dies. Nor does he think of telling Harry anything after Cedric’s death and Voldemort’s resurrection in GoF.

        I think Dumbledore would have continued to keep quit in order to give Harry time to grieve (at least that’s what Dumbledore would use as a reason).

        • Neither of those characters were nearly as close and meaningful to Harry as Ron is. Harry had the ability to recover after both of those deaths but I believe Harry would not recover after Ron’s death. Especially with his death following those first 2.

  • Yo Rufus On Fire

    I have to say, I’m on the fence about this. I personally would think this is a terrible place to kill Ron. However, taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture I don’t think that the story would change all that much. I mean, it would definitely change, but the outline of the story would be the same, but it would be a completely depressing book. I really believe that Ron is the glue to the trio. Without him, especially in deathly hallows, we still Harry and Hermione still go on, but they are a hallowed version on themselves. The chapters Ron is missing are empty and depressing. We see that without Ron, Harry and Hermione grow distant. The only reason they keep going is the hope that Ron will come back. But if Ron died, I think that they would press on but later Hermione would just be too overcome with sorrow that she would leave the search and Harry would go it alone. The only thing that I think would change drastically in this book, at least, is that fact that Harry would go balls to the wall ape-shit on Draco when he finds out that Draco was behind the whole scheme with the poison to kill Dumbledore and kills Ron instead. I think we might have had a third death in this book. And then, that opens a whole other can of worms. What would happen to the series if Draco died?

    • ISeeThestrals

      Scorpius wouldn’t have been born if Draco had died, lol. I don’t think Harry would have had it in him to kill Draco. I find it hard to imagine even though he’s bent on killing Voldemort. He might have beaten him up to the point of where he was when he was hit with sectumsempra, until someone stopped him. I feel like Draco would have run off once he learned he caused Ron’s death. Off the top of my head, I know one thing that changes is that we wouldn’t see Harry deciding to risk his life to save Draco in book 7. Someone else on Draco’s level would have to take his place to show that no matter what kind of things Draco has done or almost did, and regardless of the house he comes from, he didn’t deserve to be left behind to die. At least, that was the message there.

      • QueenSilver171

        I think Harry could have killed Draco, and I feel Draco’s redemption in Book 7 is extremely important to the series. Can you tell Draco Malfoy is my favorite character? lol But seriously. The image of the Malfoys reuniting and fleeing the Battle of Hogwarts together is a symbol of the power of family and love. Without that, the ending would have felt empty.

        • ISeeThestrals

          The Malfoys are an interesting family. And Harry did almost kill Draco with sectumsempra but it might have sent a bad message if Rowling had Harry kill Draco.
          Cool username :)

        • Yo Rufus On Fire

          Okay, here is how it could potentially play out with Harry killing Draco. (Please excuse me if I have any movie canon, I haven’t reread half blood prince in a year, so I’m going off memory) When Harry goes after Draco in bathroom it’s after the necklace and the mead already have happened. So, Ron would have died by then. Harry would have so much rage towards Draco, even more so then he originally does for Draco almost killing Katie Bell. When he sends Sectumsempra he puts so much force behind it because of his rage that it in turn kills Draco. Snape would probably come in and still try to save him, but it wouldn’t work. I definitely don’t think Harry would be proud at all of what he has done. I think he would feel extremely guilty and may not be able to recover from it. Fast forward to book seven when Voldemort kills Harry and Narcissa would go check to see if he’s really dead, there would be nothing to help Harry in this situation because Narcissa would know that her son died a year ago, so in turn wouldn’t help Harry fool Voldemort. Then Harry would be screwed. All in all, I’m very happy that Ron doesn’t die, because it would just mess the whole story up.

    • SpinnersEnd

      Oh my goodness. You’re user name is fantastic! :)

      • Yo Rufus On Fire

        Thanks!! :)

  • DisKid

    I don’t think there was any good time to kill Ron off. Ron was the guy that helped to keep Harry and Hermione in harmony (as seen what happened when he left them in Deathly Hallows) and it’s perfectly possible that Harry and Hermione wouldn’t have been able to work so well together in the 7th book and not figured out as much to the puzzle. Even if they could work well enough together, I doubt Harry would have allowed her to be involved. Ron dying would be devastating to him and he would not risk the same thing happening to Hermione. It was hard enough to get him to agree at the end of this book with both of them still alive. We all know Hermione was a key character for Harry solving the puzzle that helped to save the wizarding world. Without Ron, there could have been some really devastating consequences for the wizarding world. So no, I don’t think this was a time to kill Ron off because I don’t think there was any time to do so, which is probably why JK Rowling decided it wasn’t worth it.

    • ISeeThestrals

      That’s a good point on Hermione. I could totally see Harry advising that Hermione not follow along with him for fear that she might end up killed as well.

    • PigPuff

      I really like the points you raised about Hermione. This is another key reason I believe Jo didn’t kill off Ron, I don’t think Harry could have succeed without Ron or Hermione, both play an equal part. People do tend to downplay Ron’s role in everything, and say he isn’t smart and wasn’t very helpful (Harry wasn’t either I guess), lets face it, Hermione does do most of the work and has all the book smarts. However Ron’s part in the story really is vital, like you’ve suggested he kept Harry and Hermione in harmony, and was just a great friend to Harry in general.

      We need more Ron love!!! haha

      • DisKid

        haha I’ll admit that I have wondered before what would have happened if Harry had just never met Ron and it was only him and Hermione. Usually I think they would have been all right, but it would have been ridiculously different and probably more miserable for both of them. I mean no Weasley family house stays? How horrible! They are much better with Ron in the picture.

        • PigPuff

          hahaa yes it would be horrible!!
          I wonder if Harry and Ron had never met if Harry and Hermione would even be close friends. It’s an interesting thought.

  • SlytherinKnight

    I think that the most impactful place to kill Ron off, if JK had gone in that direction would have been at the end of OotP in place of Sirius. I have always thought that JKR did a disservice to Sirius in how she had Harry handle Sirius’ death, considering how she had Harry act when Cedric was killed. I envisioned that if Ron had died in the DoM battle, the aftermath would have had two possible outcomes: first, Harry would have totally shut down after seeing his best friend killed right in front of him. I think that Hermione, who had already shown feelings for Ron, would have abandoned Harry due to her grief and the Weasleys would have also abandoned Harry. The other outcome would have been Harry becoming almost like a robot and totally focusing on defeating Voldemort, and he would have possibly turned Dark due to his desire to avenge Ron’s death. Dumbledore would most certainly have not told Harry about the Horcurx in Harry’s scar because he would have known that the knowledge would have just pushed Harry further over the edge and sent him on a revenge journey.

    I do think that JKR never truly think of killing anyone of the Golden Trio off during the series, because she knew that if she did, it would have totally changed the storyline. The story wouldn’t have been about sacrifice and love, it would have been about revenge and justice (maybe) and certainly the final two books would have been so much Darker than a children’s/YA book could be.

    • ISeeThestrals

      Interesting spot to kill him off. Although I don’t believe the Weasleys would have abandoned Harry. I think it would have been the other way around with Harry distancing himself from them because he blamed himself for Ron being killed. Afterall, they didn’t abandon Harry after Fred died even though that battle was build around Voldemort trying to get to Harry. Ron would have added to Harry’s need for revenge, as he was also going to kill Voldemort for the deaths of his parents. However, on Dumbledore not telling him about the Horcrux in your version, I get the feeling that Harry might have felt less hesitation about letting Voldemort kill him as he might have been feeling low enough to want death. Harry did express a feeling of embracing death after Sirius died in book 5. With the pain of the loss, he wanted Dumbledore to just end it and not only because Voldemort was possessing him at the time. Though Rowling might have considered killing him off, it kind of seems a bit hard to believe she would want to break up the trio. She would want them all to have the happy ending they got with Hermione having him as a husband and Harry having him as a brother-in-law.

  • DoctorAnimagus

    It should be no surprise that JK has thought of killing Ron, and even through interviews she has said she thought about it several times. During the book series there have been several accidents that almost killed Ron. Book 1 The Chess Game, Book 2 The Debris from Lockheart’s failed memory charm almost squished him, Book 4 Being submerged underwater with the mermaids, and lately in this book he drinks poisoned meed. I believe out of all the accidents JK probably sat on this one the longest and had to think of a plot that could survive without Ron in it, and this may of changed her mind of killing everyone’s favorite sidekick.

    • ISeeThestrals

      I don’t know if Book 4 really counts. He was under an enchantment, as was Hermione, Cho, and Fleur’s sister, so by this they should have all nearly been killed. I think it would have been an interesting spin if Ron hadn’t made it.

  • ISeeThestrals

    I can’t help but feel that if Ron had died in the middle of the book, it would have
    caused a bit of a disruption and distraction, not only for the readers, but the
    characters as well. Harry of course would be deeply affected, and quite angry to
    learn that his death was caused by Draco. As in ‘Order of the Phoenix’, Harry might
    turn his anger on Dumbledore once more, blaming him for not taking him seriously
    about his suspicions of Draco. The book would slow down after Ron’s death as
    people grieved and Harry fell into a depression. Afterwards, Harry would get back
    on task, most likely with less drive, and his relationship with Dumbledore would be
    damaged. I also don’t think he would have pursued a relationship with Ginny. Both
    Harry and Hermione would be suffering some guilt here and neither would have
    become an official member of the Weasley family. Harry would blame himself and
    not have the same relationship with Ron’s family as a whole. As for Draco, it’s
    possible he would have pushed himself to follow the path of a death eater after
    learning he was the cause of Ron’s death even though he had no concern for
    Gryffindors. He would have felt he couldn’t turn back and make choices against his
    dark family. I could see him even going into hiding as to avoid future prosecution.
    And if Rowling was still planning to kill off Dumbledore in the same book, it would
    have been a greater blow for Harry to witness two major deaths.

    I think it makes sense for Ron’s death to be written sometime in the final book.
    Perhaps instead of Ron leaving Harry and Hermione due to his frustration, they
    could find themselves ambushed and Ron killed in the fight. Then of course,
    Harry and Hermione would have had to force themselves to carry on the way
    they do when he left them. I could see them still having the argument, especially
    with Harry throwing the question “So why are you still here?” line at Ron before
    the attack. It would have left Harry feeling guilty for having such an argument at
    a time when they needed to stick together and focus on the real enemy. It would
    be a harsh lesson for Harry to learn, but after grieving, he would be determined
    to prove that everything they’d been through wasn’t for nothing. It would be easier
    for Harry to end up with Ginny if Ron had died later. As for Hermione, I picture her
    having a close relationship with the Weasleys, but perhaps no longer living in
    London and marrying someone else.

    • Yo Rufus On Fire

      I agree with your thoughts on how angry Harry would be to Dumbledore when he finds out that Dumbledore never took him seriously about Draco. I think Dumbledore would apologize about Ron and say that he feels great sadness to a loss so big. Part of me thinks that Dumbledore would actually ask Harry if he would still like to move forward with his lessons given his recent loss, and telling him that if he does not wish to continue, he can not stop him but let him know that stopping here would not be wise if he still wanted to take down Voldemort. And after bits of angsty Harry going back and forth with the very calm Dumbledore, he would say he wanted to move forward. Maybe do it in Ron’s honor. I can see this whole conversation play out in my head. It would kind of mirror their conversation after Sirius has died.

      • ISeeThestrals

        Nice, I can see that conversation too

  • Quote_the_Ravenclaw

    If she did indeed intend to kill Ron at some point in the series I think the most likely spot would have been for Ron to have been in Neville’s place at the end of Deathly Hallows. Ron would have been the one to kill Nagini instead of Neville doing it and Voldemort would have killed him for it. I’ve always thought that the conversation that Harry had with Neville prior to entering the Forbidden Forest was a little awkward and felt somewhat out of place. If Ron and been killed at that point in the story it would have had a huge impact on Ron’s character development. It would have also been a little bit of throwback to one of his first courageous actions when he sacrificed himself in Philosopher’s Stone giving more credence to Ring Theory. In addition to this, Ron was one of the few people who was aware of the Horcruxes and I feel it would have been a natural place for Ron’s ultimate demise.

  • SpinnersEnd

    I can’t imagine reading the rest of the series if Ron had died at this point. I feel like the remainder of books would have been Angsty Harry from book OotP. And if we think the books are dark now, they would be 10 times darker if Ron had died here.

    I think not only would we have seen the return of Angsty Harry, we would have seen the emergence of Angsty Hermione. I think we would have seen a very dark side of Hermione indeed. She would have retreated further into her books and maybe started sending birds after people for no reason.

    i think the only place to kill Ron would have been the end of the series during the Battle of Hogwarts. I know that’s cliche, but I really think that Ron’s death any earlier would have made the rest of the series unbearable to read.

  • I would say in Deathly Hallows, after Ron left Harry and Hermione but before he rejoined them. He would not have been around to save Harry from the locket.

    Maybe Hermione’s role would have been enlarged, and she might end up marrying Viktor, if she survived the war to marry anyone.

  • SpinnersEnd

    I also think that much of symbolism of the novel would have been destroyed if Ron had been killed. Harry, Ron and Hermione operate as three sides of the same coin (bad analogy, I know). Hermione is all book smarts and intellect. Ron is hot-headed and ruled by emotion. Harry is the principled one. Together they make each other whole. With one of them dead, they would never have been able to keep moving forward.

  • PigPuff

    As many listeners have already outlined so brilliantly what I believe would happen in the event of Ron’s death in the series, I wanted to ask a question. If Ron had indeed died in this chapter, that would mean Draco inadvertently killed him. As we later find out, Dumbledore knew all along that Malfoy was behind the attacks. My question is, if Ron had died at this point, could Harry have forgiven Dumbledore for keeping him in the dark about this, not stopping Draco, and essentially letting Ron die? And how would this have affected the story from that point.
    I don’t think Harry would continue to meet with Dumbledore and learn about horcruxes, and perhaps he would never finish his task of getting the horcrux memory from Slughorn.

  • HogwartsTimelord

    Ron’s Eulogy

    Ronald Bilius Weasly found peace on March 1, 1997, his 17th birthday after an accidental poisoning. Son of Arthur and Molly, brother of William, Charles, Percy, Fred, George, and Ginevra. Beloved friend of Harry Potter and Hermione Granger. Some may have said he was born in a bin, but we know that he was born into one of the most loving families in the Wizarding world. Ron started school at Hogwarts in the fall of 1991 and was sorted into Gryffindor like the rest of his family. Throughout his five years at Hogwarts he distinguished himself from his siblings by helping retrieve the Sorcerer’s stone, traveling into the forbidden forest to talk to an Acromantula, finding out the truth about Sirius Black, and participating in the Battle in the Department of Mysteries. He is recognized for his time at Hogwarts in several ways: for Special Services to the School in his second year for working to reseal the Chamber of Secrets, becoming a Prefect, as a Gryffindor Quidditch Keeper in his 5th and 6th years, as a founding member of Dumbledore’s Army, and lastly as Treasurer of the Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare. Ron Weasley will forever be Our King.

    • TheBobOgdenAppreciationSociety

      If I may be allowed to continue, Ron will also be remembered as Rupert, Weatherby, Wallenby, and Wenby by Horace Slughorn, Roonil Wazlib by Severus Snape and the Master of Mystery by Hermione Granger.

      • HogwartsTimelord

        Yes you may, but one correction: Percy is called Weatherby by Crouch Sr.

  • CentaurSeeker121

    I can’t imagine the series without Ron. If Ron had died at this point (or at any point before this) the series would have suddenly become much darker than it already was. Imagine Harry’s mention of Draco to Dumbledore along with Dumbledore’s reaction and then Ron dies soon after. How awful would that be? Would Harry have trusted Dumbledore anymore after that, knowing what he told him and knowing that Dumbledore supposedly did nothing to investigate beforehand? This is Harry’s BEST FRIEND we’re talking about here. I think that if he had died Harry would have blamed himself and I don’t think his and Hermione’s relationship with the Weasley family as a whole would have been the same, although I am sure that they would have never have stopped loving them. I also think that Ron’s death probably would have turned Harry down a much darker path. I can see Harry’s anger overwhelming him to the point where the dueling scene between him and Draco would have occured much earlier. Also, I kind of have a hard time seeing Harry and Hermione’s relationship surviving without Ron. It’s almost as if he acts as a sort of bridge between them, keeping them together.

    As for when it would have been more acceptable in the narrative, I think I have to agree that the MOST acceptable place would have been during the final battle at Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows, because although it would have still been extremely sad I think it would have been more understandable.

  • NeverTickleASleepingRavenclaw

    This is probably not a popular opinion, and one I have not seen yet, but I feel the need to post a little bit of Ron-hate.

    Ron is my LEAST favorite “good” character in the entire series. I honestly think that if he would have died in say, Sirius’s place, at the end of Order, I would have been fine. Sure, we would have ended up with a bit more Angsty Harry. But it’s war, and people die (Fred died. Remus died. Those tore me up more than Ron’s death would have, to be honest).

    If Ron had died at the end of Order, I feel that Half-Blood would have been filled with WAY more Harry-Ginny moments, as I feel that Ginny, Luna, and Neville would have stepped up and filled the void in the “trio.” I also want to point out that if Ron had died, Hermione could have ended up marrying someone else, possibly someone she didn’t know from Hogwarts. Or nobody at all, which I also would have been fine with.

    • ISeeThestrals

      Fun username :)

      • NeverTickleASleepingRavenclaw

        Thanks :)

  • TheAmazingBouncingFerret

    I think Ron deserves more that a mid-book death. Anyway, killing him right before Dumbledore wouldn’t make much sense, as Ron’s is the more shocking death. Don’t get me wrong, Dumbledore dying was plenty shocking, but looking back, he was over a hundred when we first met him, now it seems kind of likely that he wouldn’t make it to the end of the series.

    Even if Harry let Hermione go Horcrux hunting with him, which is unlikely, without Ron it would be like those few extremely depressing chapters in the middle of DH (and Goblet of Fire, for that matter), only all book long. Harry and Hermione can be good together, but they’re not that fun very often. When Ron comes back in Deathly Hallows it’s such a breath of fresh air, and he actually injects some much needed lightness into the dark circumstances. He keeps morale up just by being himself, which is why I think emo Ron affects the trio in general way more than emo Harry did.

    • ISeeThestrals

      Well, in the wizarding world, I think age can’t quite be compared to non-magic folks where you would expect someone over a hundred not to live long. I don’t know how long wizards can live, but when it comes to wizards and witches, most people aren’t surprised to hear when someone is like 200 or beyond, lol.
      Ron is the comic relief of the trio. I do think Harry and Hermione could have made it and finished the mission if Ron wasn’t around. It would of course be much more difficult and a bit depressing, but Harry knew what he had to do. I don’t think there’s a book or movie or series without such comic relief characters.

      • TheAmazingBouncingFerret

        No, you’re right about the age, Dumbledore wasn’t that old by wizard standards. I meant it more from the conception that old wise characters almost never quite make it to the end in fiction.
        And yeah, I suppose Harry and Hermione could and would have succeeded, it’s just that I don’t think the friend dynamic would work anymore

        • ISeeThestrals

          Lots of stories seem to go with the trio friendship, and if not that, then the trio love triangle. Lol, 3, is a popular number for such things.
          Oh, I see what you meant now about the wise ones not making it. Is the exception Gandalf from Lord of the Rings? Did he make it in the end, I forgot. I remember on a documentary about Star Wars, it was talked about the necessity for wise mentors to die in fiction.

          • TheAmazingBouncingFerret

            Oh yeah, didn’t think of Gandalf. He does make it, at least in the movie, haven’t read the books yet

  • ISeeThestrals

    Thinking on the eulogy challenge, I thought I’d write a humorous poetic one in the case that Ron had died from being poisoned:

    “Here lies a boy named Ronald Weasley, whose hair was brightest red.

    He made a fatal mistake one eve when he should have stayed in bed.

    For a visit to Slughorn’s and a drink of mead left the poor soul dead.

    And now he’s left his friends behind with hearts so filled with dread.

    Such a death, though they would not know, could have instead befallen Fred.

    He was a loyal and funny mate you know, and that’s all that can be said.”

  • SnapesManyButtons

    I don’t think Ron would have been killed at this point for two reasons, one it would have made Draco a murderer, and two it would have lessened the impact of Dumbldore’s death. I think if she’d killed off Ron, it would have been in the last book, probably at the point where he left Harry and Hermione. He was being chased by the Snatchers and could easily have been killed. That would have been dramatic because Harry would have felt guilty for fighting with him and Hermione would have felt bad about choosing to stay with Harry rather than go with him. I think this would have brought them together, rather than apart, knowing that either of them could be killed at any time and they would have held onto each other as all they had left. The rest of the book could still have gone on as it did with the added impetus of defeating Voldemort in Ron’s memory and to avenge his death.

    As for the eulogy, I would love to hear it in honor of bad-ass Book Ron rather than lame Movie Ron.

    We are here to honor and remember Ronald Bilius Weasley, beloved son, brother, and friend. Ron who faced a mountain troll to help a girl who wasn’t even a friend at the time, who sacrificed himself in a life-sized game of Wizard Chess to save the Philosopher’s Stone, who put aside his fear of spiders to follow a trail of them in the Forbidden Forest alongside his best friend Harry, who stood up on a broken leg and told an escaped prisoner that he’d have to kill him before he could kill Harry, who even protected his rat from that prisoner who wanted to kill it, who fought alongside his best friend, the Chosen One, at risk of death because it was the right thing to do, whose bravery and loyalty knew no bounds. Ronald Weasley who was never anything but proud and happy for his friends though they had more fame, money, talent, and nicer possessions than he ever had, who was poor in material things, but rich in Love. Ronald Weasley will be missed not only by his best friends, his beloved family, his fellow students and teachers, but by the entire Wizarding World, which will be all the poorer for his loss.

  • Jake Potter

    If Rowling had killed Ron at this point, I see a few things happening. First, it would have gutted Hermione in a different way than Harry. Ron and Hermione hadn’t made amends just yet and of Ron had died at this moment it would have shattered her. She’s clearly in love with him and the fact that she never got to tell him that would have hurt like hell. Harmony shippers might hate to hear this, but I don’t think she would have moved on with Harry as mic as they would like that idea. She most likely would have felt it would be an insult to Ron’s memory if she went out with his best friend, which is why I think she didn’t ask Harry to go to Slughorn’s party. It would have been a different line to cross than her taking Cormac, more of a punch to the gut.

    Second, as popular as it is to hate Dumbledore for what he does, I seriously think he would have put a stop to everything Draco was trying. He would have confronted him earlier and tried to reason with him. I’m not sure if he would have filled Harry in on what was going on with Draco, but he definitely would have confronted Draco. Dumbledore has always loved and cared for his students (as evident in OoTP when Umbridge shook Marietta Edgecomb). I don’t believe for a second he would let Draco get away with murdering a student. Not Ron, not Kaite Bell.

    Lastly, I think Harry would have broken down so much that the goal of stopping Voldemort would have been halted slightly. I don’t think he would be so quick as to continue with Dumbledore’s lessons. They would have been put on hold and perhaps Dumbledore wouldn’t have been able to tell Harry as much (or little) as he did because of that. Ron is an integral part to the trio. I like to compare the Golden Trio to Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han Solo. They all needed each other to save the galaxy, much like Harry, Ron, and Hermione need each other to save the wizarding world. Think about how the Godric’s Hallow incident would have been different if Ron was with Harry and Hermione. They’re definitely would have escaped Nagini and Voldemort sooner. They need Ron, whether they know it or not

  • TheBobOgdenAppreciationSociety

    I believe that killing Ron now would have been disastrous for the series. Though Harry was ‘ the chosen one’ and Hermione had the brains needed, it is Ron who holds together the team, adding wizarding family knowledge and humour to the mixture. The shock Harry would undergo would be very weighty, and the it would massively affect Dumbledore’s master plan. I believe that at the time of writing Half Blood Prince, Ron was still very popular and he had become a main beam in the way fans thought of the series. If Rowling had killed him off here, many people would be drawn away by the fear that Rowling was going to

    • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

      good comment, and wonderful username!

  • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

    “Thank you, Ginny. It is very nice from you to let me speak to everyone here, I’m not a member of your family and we haven’t been friends for long. I think you are right, many of your family members are too sad or too angry to talk right now. I am sad, too, but it feels good to state it, to recognize it. It doesn’t make the pain go away, but it’s better to give it a name and not be afraid of it.
    I also think at a funeral it is better to talk to the family and friends who are there than to speak a lot about the person who died. I am sad that Ron is dead and I am mad that he was poisoned. He did not deserve to die, and his death was as useless as the talons of pygmy puffs. Yes, they do have talons, but they only show when you… well, never mind.
    Ron was very funny, one time on the Hogwarts Express he made me laugh so much that I almost got the jorosop, that is when you can’t stop laughing but it starts to hurt and you want to stop but it is still funny so you start again as soon as you have stopped. He had said something about a Slytherin boy and as far as I know it was another Slytherin boy who was always mean to Ron’s family and to Harry and Hermione. Hermione, I know you didn’t want to come, but I’m glad that you are here and one day when you feel better you will be able to speak again. Most people haven’t heard about this charm, but sometimes when someone dies and you feel that you should have said something to them before it makes you unable to talk for a while.
    One time when we were at the Department of Mysteries Ron was in a strange mood and laughed at everything, too, they told me. I don’t know why he did that, because it wasn’t very funny there and we had to fight the Death Eaters. Flying there on thestrals was very eerie, he had said, but it was brave of him to get up on a creature that he couldn’t even see. Sometimes in that night I was afraid that one of us would be killed there, and most of us were injured, Ron too. But we got out there because the Order of the Phoenix came to our rescue.
    At school Professor Dumbledore had said that Ron’s death was an accident and that it was not Professor Slughorn’s fault. He said it was You-Know-Who who wanted to kill him, well not Ron, but Professor Dumbledore, and I don’t understand yet what this has to do with the poison. But when Ron died Harry was with him and that was a good thing, because you were his best friend and even though you could not save him, at least you were by his side and he did not have to face to great Unknown alone. You are very angry now, Harry and you said you think it was your fault and you should have learned how to make antidotes properly. I don’t know if there was an antidote but I heard everything happened so quickly that there was no time to do anything more than what you have done. Maybe you can cry a bit after this funeral, I’m sure it will make you feel better.
    Dear Mr. and Mrs. Weasley, I have heard your sons talk to each other and George said to Fred that he didn’t think it would be a good idea to put canary cream onto the sweet pastry because people would not find it funny. And Fred said Ron would have thought it was hilarious, but they didn’t put it on, I think. It’s okay, Neville, you can take one.
    Everyone loved it when Ron was so good in the Quidditch match against Slytherin, and he enjoyed it that they were cheering for him. I think he was also happy to be together with Lavender Brown, but she is not happy right now, she is crying and Ron’s brother right next to her is not sure if he should comfort her. It’s Peter, no, Percy, and he has been crying, too.
    Well, I don’t want to talk a lot more, it is now almost time for Ron’s eldest brothers to carry him away. Thank you again that I was allowed to make this speech, I’m not as sad anymore. You all love Ron and he loves you. That will never end.”

    Luna Lovegood at Ron’s funeral.

  • MinervaLupin

    Ron’s Eulogy By Harry Potter

    Ron, Ron Ron. What is there to say about Ron aside from him being my best friend?
    -awkward silence-
    Well we met on the train to Hogwarts in our first year. He walked into my compartment with dirt on his nose. Oh how we pigged out on the food from the trolley that day while trying to turn a rat yellow. Remember that time where we went after the Philosopher Stone and had to play chess? Ron had become a knight had sacrificed himself so that Hermione and I could go on. Such an awesome moment for him there.
    I have to mention the time he broke his wand and Lockhart stole it and tried to erase our memories with it when we were on our way to the Chamber of Secrets. Lockhart was never the same again.
    -laughs-
    Good times, good times.
    He did have weird ideas what what a pet was though. I mean, come on, a pet rat that turned out to be the man that betrayed my parents. Who in their right minds would keep such a pet? Although it is funny to think that Ron shared his bed with that pet rat and his brothers never mentioned to him the creature was indeed a man.
    He did have his moments when Ron was a huge idiot. You would think that when your best friend says to you that he did not enter his name into the Goblet of Fire that you would believe him and not turn your back on him.
    (under his breath) jerk.
    I can’t forget he did have many funny moments like the time when we were in the Department of Mysteries and got confunded and ran after a bunch of brains. Still think he has the marks of the brain’s tentacles on his arms. Or the time he ate a bunch of chocolates that were filled with the Weasley’s Love Potions instead of Firewhiskey and ended up having to do to Slughorn’s office for an antidote.
    -laughs-
    The look on Lavender’s face that say was so priceless. I should have taken a picture to show Ron.
    Anyways, here is to a life fully lived in much laughs and love. To Ron!
    -raises his wand and shoots fireworks-