Podcast Question of the Week – Episode 159

Was this “place to hide” the best place to hide?

Chapter 9 is titled “A Place to Hide,” and the trio opts for 12 Grimmauld Place. What other hiding places might they have chosen that would have possibly better helped them on their quest to destroy Horcruxes? Or at least to have been more comfortable on their quest?

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  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    They could have taken a page out of Neville’s book and used the Room of Requirement. It would have a good place to keep up on what was going on, plus it would have been as comfortable as they wanted it to be. However, sneaking in and out of Hogwarts and being right under the Carrows noses would have been pretty risky. Plus, would Arthur’s patronus and Lupin have been able to reach them there? I don’t think it would have been a good long term hideout but better than just roaming the countryside in a tent.

    • ISeeThestrals

      That’s a thought, but story wise it seems to mess with the pace and this literal journey the characters are meant to be on. Much of the stress comes from the trio not being anywhere near people they know, like their classmates who would’ve been at the school. And in a way, them being at the school to hide in this room seems like the story’s already at its conclusion, somehow. I like the idea of them being in the room, yet it seems if they were under the roof of Hogwarts, it would have been harder for them to leave it and their friends behind to look for those horcruxes, but I’d choose it over a tent.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Yeah, I don’t think that it would have been a good place to start for the sake of the story. I think them being at Grimmauld Place is actually important enough that it’s hard to come up with alternatives. I mean, being there is what led to them finding out Kreacher’s story and the locket. They pretty much HAD to be at Grimmauld Place for that to happen, or God knows how much longer it would have taken them to make the connections with Regulus and the locket.

    • SoGrangerous

      I don’t think that would have worked at all because you can’t Apparate anywhere inside Hogwarts. The nice thing about Grimmauld Place is that you can Apparate right outside the door.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        That’s why I said it would be risky getting in and out of Hogwarts. Personally though, I really think Grimmauld place was their best option, and would have remained so if it hadn’t been for the events during their escape from the ministry a few chapters later.

  • Felix Scamander

    Yessss… Fresh Debate

  • Felix Scamander

    They could’ve stayed with Aragog! He was perfectly friendly to people seeking a place to hide.

    • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

      Not to cross my fandoms but… give Hermione a time-turner and her bag is effectively a Tardis.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Also, cue the mental imagery of Hermione carrying Ron and Harry about inside her bag. *giggles

        • ISeeThestrals

          How would she ever find them, lol. I’m picturing Hermione calling “Harry, Ron” in her opened bag.

          • SnapesManyButtons

            The same way they found the Dittany, “Accio Harry!”

          • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

            And now I’m re picturing the ridiculous “Accio Hagrid” attempt. Magic is so silly sometimes.

          • Felix Scamander

            “I love Magic!”

          • Felix Scamander

            But are they smaller on the inside?

          • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

            There’s probably an anti-squishing charm for that. Though a purse just lying around is bound to get picked up and rummaged through by a thief

          • Felix Scamander

            Yeah probably.

      • Felix Scamander

        Now where did TimeAndRelativeDimensionInHandbag go?

    • ISeeThestrals

      Uh, Aragog is dead. He died in the last book. Besides, he would have tried to eat them.
      Interesting point on the bag being able to carry living things.

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Speaking of Aragog though, maybe the Forbidden forest wouldn’t have been the worst place. Dangerous sure, but maybe they could have been like “what up Centaurs…so we know you hate us after the whole Umbridge thing, but you did respect Dumbledore and he sent us on this crazy mission to defeat Voldemort so maybe don’t kill us. That’d be great, k thanks”
        Then they magic themselves a little tree house and go from there.

        I find this in no way actually plausible though. Just throwing stuff out there for the sake of it.

        • Felix Scamander

          Ahh… a little cool kid club treehouse.

      • Felix Scamander

        That was a joke.

        • ISeeThestrals

          Lol, you were very convincing. Now I’m starting to picture the trio trying to convince that giant spider to let them hide in his web.

          • Felix Scamander

            Yeah, no, really it’ll be fine, you won’t even hear us, we can just sneak round there and wait and fight until we come across something of marginal importance…

          • Well if not a Spider, why not Fluffy? He’s out in the forest somewhere isn’t he? Fluffy and the flying car probably have a nice place together in there. I hear the Giant Squid visits on weekends.

    • grangerdanger

      Hmm…even if Aragog was alive that seems really dangerous, and Ron is too afraid of spiders LOL

      • Felix Scamander

        That was a joke. Why does nobody understand that?!

    • RoseLumos

      Doesn’t Voldemort and the Death Eaters end up setting up camp in Aragog’s home at the end of the Battle of Hogwarts? I don’t have the book in front of me, but I think that’s where Voldemort “kills” Harry later in the series. However, I think the Death Eaters only hang out there for a few hours so if the trio did go there, they would be okay up until the Battle. That is, if the spiders, centaurs, and random werewolves don’t get to them first.

      • Felix Scamander

        ‘Random werewolves’ are according to Malfoy.

        • RoseLumos

          True. Watch everyone camp out in the forest and get injured by an ordinary “Muggle” animal like a snake or a bear while the centaurs and giant spiders leave them alone.

  • DoraNympha

    I don’t know if they had any special locations like Grimmauld Place but I wouldn’t have headed for the countryside first thing. Yes, there are fewer people in the woods or on a field but A) shady people like Greyback are more likely to bump into you in a forest than Muggle London and B) it’s much more suspicious for people to be camping, especially in cold months, in the middle of nothing. If they leave a mark or speak too loudly while not under Disaudio, it’s much more noticeable in a deserted location.

    So, what I’d have done is stayed in London or other big cities, but just stay in empty Muggle flats or hotel rooms or lofts or warehouses or something, precisely because that’s a really unlikely place to be. Hide in plain sight! Do what Slughorn did, except put all the protective charms on the place so that even IF Snatchers happen to be strolling down the whateverth floor of a non-descript block of flats in whichever Muggle district of London (what are the chances?), they wouldn’t find the door to knock on, they wouldn’t find the window to break in through. Disguise it like Grimmauld Place, except make it a location that is completely random. Finding Harry Potter in the countryside is hard, yes, because of the sheer space of possibilities and I’m not saying it was a bad idea, it was probably one of the best things to do, it’s just if they’d stayed in a random flat in London they may have got a bit more access to news, even if it’s just Muggle newspapers. Yes, go camping for a month all over the country but maybe you can stay in an empty flat overlooking the Ministry’s entrance once in a while, just to make sure Arthur’s still going to work, if nothing else? That’s why Tottenham Court Road was a good location, you can get lost in the crowd, it’s very unmagical… the only danger would be that DEs like to just kill random Muggles but the likelihood that exactly that non-descript building out of the millions is going to get targeted by random DEs killing for fun is just as little as apparating right into the middle of some Snatcher party (a movie-ism) in the countryside or having your path crossed with other people in hiding (Dean, Ted, Griphook and co.). Okay, so the first village they tried was full of Dementors, right? Yeah okay but all streets and buildings of London or Glasgow or Liverpool can’t possibly be monitored like that OR cry blue murder if Harry shows up like Hogsmeade. Tbh I’m surprised Diagon Alley didn’t go into alarm mode when Harry showed up in March. I know it’s funny to think about but they could have even sneaked into Grunnings for a place to think, at night, with no one there but a guard maybe. I mean, what’s the likelihood of DEs showing up at Grunnings? 😀 And wasn’t there some bakery nearby? As long as they don’t say Voldemort’s name, this is just as safe as the country, except they can steal more newspapers and not have to steal eggs from barns. (But I know, they HAD to go camp for the development, I know, just not the way I would have done it first thing after the Ministry break-in.) I’m not saying they should have camped out mostly in urban areas but they could have done it just a couple of times.

    • Felix Scamander

      More importantly, why were they even in England?! Voldemort sphere of (absolute) power doesn’t go outside the UK, they could’ve camped out in mainland Europe, convinced the Ministry de le Français or the Spanish or German of Bulgarin Ministries to help! Also, there are only so many places to hide in the British countryside, wheres mainland Europe, well…

      • DoraNympha

        Yeah that would be the obvious idea, to leave the country altogether but that may be more difficult and they may not have wanted to, for the same reasons I’d prefer to stay in urban areas and get lost in the crowd instead of isolating myself so much that I don’t know if it’s Christmas Eve. Voldemort might watch Britain somehow, if not the exact borders, then the island of Great Britain (but then could, say, Shetland have been a safe space?). If they could leave the country, they might have taken refuge at the Delacours’ place or even at Beauxbatons, at Charlie’s in Romania, or indeed anywhere (plus, the English countryside seems to be less deserted than a lot of Continental areas, we have endless crop fields without a soul for hours, no tourists, no campers, not a single house just crops). However, Voldemort himself travels out of Britain as well so it’s no guarantee of safety, leaving the country. That said, they might not even want to leave, because they’d rather stay at the place of action. In practice, it might have been better for their plan to go to Beauxbatons and station there and get info through Maxime and resources but the idea of fleeing Britain might have seemed like they were running too far away from the centre of the war. They really wanted to be there and do something, so they probably didn’t want to leave the area. I’m not sure how wizards could be prevented from traveling from country to country, maybe there would have been a minimal risk of being detected but… I mean, okay, Voldemort took over the British Ministry of Magic, okay, cool, so what, that’s just Britain. Does Ireland have a separate Ministry? Even if it doesn’t, distance isn’t as much of a problem to wizards… I bet people were scared of Voldemort all over the world or at least in Europe but we hear so little about it and Grindelwald didn’t seem to have left a huge mark of terror on Britain either… look at all these wizard villains, respecting country borders. So polite. And so illogically uncharacteristic.

        • Felix Scamander

          I would’ve wanted a firm hand on my homeland before taking on the rest of the world

    • Matilda McMorrow

      This really reminds me of when Hermione chose the Hog’s Head as a good meeting place for the start of the DA, and then Sirius pointed out that she had a lot to learn- the Three Broomsticks would have been busier and they would have been less noticeable. This could have been foreshadowing these similar decisions in Deathly Hallows. It’s interesting that Hermione didn’t seem to learn from that, but then again, she never tends to see Sirius as a reliable source of advice.

  • Don_the_Dementor

    Going to Grimmauld Place after the wedding had to be done. It was necessary for them to be able to figure out who R.A.B. was and ask Kreacher about the locket. This enabled the capture of Dung to find who had the locket and the raid on M.O.M. After the raid though, I think the trio should have visited some cities in Great Brittain to blend in with the crowd along with camping out in the country to mix it up. They could have stock piled groceries while in the city for the camping times and Ron would have been happily fed.
    One site in particular could have been used as base of operations, that being the shack on the rock from PS/SS. I’m sure they could have conjured up some insulation, fixed the front door, and made the place into something more livable than in the first book. And they could have summoned Kreacher to help out.

    • Felix Scamander

      “Yup, there’s very little that we mortals can say on this, but someone is still going to have an OGM and say something clever…”- Me
      Oh, look at that! A clever OGM. Or at least the best yet…

      • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

        Yes this is a good suggestion. If you remember though they still probably wouldn’t have called Kreacher, because they were worried about a DE being able to come along with him. Though frankly, if I were them I probably would have risked it after a few days without a proper meal. Kreacher prob would have been able to bring them food easy.

        • Felix Scamander

          No, I meant they wouldn’t of though of Kreacher in the first place if they’d gone to the Rock.

    • The problem will always be that they love to blurt out the name Voldemort. They need someplace where they can sit still and be aware of their surroundings at all times. A place like a city would be far too busy to keep up with. They would never see a Death Eater coming through all the hustle and bustle.

  • DoraNympha

    How about the hut on the rock? No one but Hagrid knows Harry has a connection there… would have been weird to bring it back from the first to the last book! ^^

    • Felix Scamander

      Yeah, Don brought that up earlier.

      • DoraNympha

        Ooh right!

  • DoraNympha

    Wait, so all possible locations, however unlikely, I can think of: the hut on the rock, Grunnings, Sirius’ cave, the Forest, the Shrieking Shack, that awkward Weasley accountant’s place… or, what if it’s safer to double-cross the DEs and go stay at Privet Drive number, idk, three? They wouldn’t expect that. Or what if they disguised themselves as Snatchers? The DE disguise worked in Diagon Alley… Or Hermione must have relatives’ houses to go to or her or Harry’s muggle schools? The zoo? 😀 Lyall Lupin’s house?

    • Felix Scamander

      Oh yeah, Lupin Senior’s place would’ve been good, and it also fits the criteria.. but then again they don’t even know where it is, and Harry wouldn’t have wanted to put Lupin’s dad in mortal peril for as price of his and his friends comfort. Nope, Don’s ‘Rennovated Hut on the Rock’ still wins for me.

      • DoraNympha

        No we do know he was quite old by this time and not everyone can be as awesome a dueller at 114 as Dumbledore or survive three stunning spells without a scratch like McGonagall. What continues to bother me about DH is that we don’t know how much danger people like Lyall were in. He’s the father of Order member Remus Lupin afterall and I bet Greyback never forgot about him. Is he okay? Is he safe? I bet Remus made sure his house is protected but… what about other people who aren’t really in the centre of the action nor are immediate relatives but are kind of friends or extended family? We know Muriel’s was a safe house but what about the Diggorys? Where’s Lee? The rest of the quidditch team/former DA members who’ve graduated? Are they all half-blood at least? Is Cho even well-informed about what’s really up in politics? Do her parents know the Ministry’s being infiltrated? Kingsley must have family too, are they okay? Especially after he said Voldemort and had to go hide… Are Dean’s mum and siblings safe? Did Dean place some charms on their place before he left for the wilderness all alone?? How did DEs even find the Potterwatch broadcast, what happened that they had to find a new place to broadcast from? Do they leave Oliver Wood alone, given he’s known friends of the Weasleys and Harry Potter?

        I mean, all these people’s help and places could be potentially used if not for the big fear that the trio would just bring danger on them so they stay away out of courtesy and only seek out people when they absolutely have to, such as Xenophilius.

  • Nina

    It sounds paradoxical, but I think one of the safest places might have been Malfoy Manor, the DE headquarters (at least if it had as many rooms as a castle). Just imagine them hiding in the attic, or an unused room upstairs, listening to the death eaters’ discussions by using the extendible ears. Of course it would have been difficult to get to the room/attic in the first place (with the gates only opening for DE with a dark mark) but if I remember correctly apparition is possible (didn’t Ron and Hermione disapparate without Dobby?).
    If they’d gone there after staying at Grimmauld Place, i.e. after Kreacher got so attached to them, they could have taken advantage of him too. They could have summoned Kreacher, asked him to pretend to return to the Malfoys, who knew he was keen to serve them from OotP, and then make Kreacher steal the Malfoys’ food, spy on the DE for them, and maybe even pass on information to the Order.

    • Felix Scamander

      Incredibly unlikely, but I like to imagine them living in the attic with their ears to the floor.. 🙂

  • Jaye Dozier

    I think it’s important to take into consideration the limited extent to which Portkeys and Apparating can take you – I got the impression from the books that you could only push the boundaries so far, and therefore going out of the country is pretty unlikely for wizards/witches of their age. Perhaps public transportation would’ve been an option, but they needed to be somewhat close to the action – being in another country would’ve completed negated their search for Horcruxes (unless they had good reason that Voldemort placed it somewhere out of the country). Which, by the way, why in the world didn’t Voldemort separate his horcruxes more distantly if he was really so terrified of losing them?? I mean, come on, all in one country seems a little amateur to me, even though I know he put them in meaningful places. I mean, its not like he couldn’t have put the diadem back into the trunk of the tree he found it in Albania or something. Anyway, I digress.

    As for a decent hiding place, I would probably have headed to Diagon Alley at some point – especially because it was so deserted. We know the Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlour (RIP) and Olivander’s were closed, so they could’ve camped out there. They could’ve snuck into the basement of Honeydukes from there, which would have been ideal for its connection to Hogwarts (just in case). Also, the trio would’ve been close enough to Fred and George to have picked up on their (or the rest of the Order’s) status, and perhaps even transferred information to them somehow. I can’t imagine them staying here for long, but its desertion could’ve definitely played into their favor. Plus, they probably could’ve raided through the remaining goods of the abandoned stores and found some kind of food and/or supplies for their journey that may have helped. (multiple Olivander wands, perhaps?? And Honeydukes candy for days!)

    • Voldee’s hiding places might have been pretty close together, but they were also protected by the common lack of any knowledge regarding Horcruxes. Children are not taught about them in school and simply bringing them up seems to scare the well educated as seen through Slughorn’s memory. The trio don’t even know how to destroy them for a long while. There wasn’t really a need to spread them out and keeping them near enough allows Voldee to check in on them when he needs to. If traveling long distances “wizard style” is difficult, as you suggest, then spreading them apart would be far more difficult on Voldee’s part.

  • SlytherinKnight

    I was wondering why didn’t the Order put a new Fidelius Charm on Grimmuald Place after Dumbledore’s death. I mean, the Secret that protects Grimmauld Place has been broken, both by Dumbledore’s death and the fact that the Order has moved Headquarters to the Burrow. In a previous chapter, Ron I believe mentions that the headquarters of the Order is now at the Burrow, and since the Secret that protected Grimmuald Place was “The Order of the Phoenix is located at Number 12 Grimmauld Place”. I am basing this theory on the fact that both Harry and Hermione are able to see the Potter’s cottage at Godric’s Hollow even though neither are Secret Keepers to that location. We know that Arthur and Bill had had the Charm cast on the Burrow and Shell Cottage, so the Charm is able to be placed by others than Dumbledore, so why couldn’t Flitwick or McGonagall or Arthur or Bill put a new Fidelius Charm up on Grimmauld Place to give the Order a safe house outside of Headquarters.

    • ccmoundshroud

      because a fidelius charm is already in place at number 12 that now, due to the death of the original secret keeper, has made all of the people who know about number 12’s existence as the hq for the ootp the new secret keepers. Without the tongue tying curse (which nobody is certain works) snape could still tell people where the old hq was, I feel that any redundancies wouldn’t superceed the original fidelius charm

  • How about a place that absolutely nobody else has ever been able to find? The Chamber of Secrets? Harry is the only person who knows how to open it aside from Voldee. (ok, and Ron, but he’s with Harry anyway)

    If they had camped out there they would have been close to the Basilisk fangs and perhaps the connection to the venom would have been made much sooner.

    • Felix Scamander

      Ummm yeah, brilliant suggestion, but you can’t apparate in Hogwarts, so they’d have to sneak out of the school to travel, which would just be too dangerous.

  • RoseLumos

    I think it would have interesting if Harry followed in Sirius’s footsteps and hid in the cave outside of Hogsmeade. We know it is a safe place since Sirius camped out in it for a few months while being one of the most hunted wizards in Britain and was safe. As far as we know, the only people alive who know it’s specific location is Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Harid (he hides there after being fired in OotP). Not only is it out of the way but it appears to be naturally camouflaged into the hills. Also, it’s close enough to Hogwarts that the trio might be able to keep an eye on things and attempt to communicate with some students. Plus, it’s close enough the Hogsmeade so the trio might be able to steal supplies like newspapers and food. However, it would be hard to go into the village with a disguise since it seems like a small town who would recognize odd people and behavior. We know at some point a curfew is set up so it would be hard to wander around at night, but it might work for a few weeks at least.

    • lifeanddragons

      I thought about this one too…but it’s possible that the only reason that was a suitable place for Sirius and Hagrid to hide at the time was because of Dumbledore being alive and so he might have provided some sort of protection. He is the one who suggested the cave in question right?

      • RoseLumos

        I know Dumbledore suggests the cave to Hagrid but I don’t know if he did to Sirius. I think Dumbledore was in some kind of correspondence with Sirius while he was in hiding though so it is possible. As for protections, it seems that Hermione has a good grip on protective spells later when they are camping and I image she could do the same spells to the entrance of the cave. I think the only flaw in the plan (excuse the pun) is Hagrid – we know he isn’t great about keeping secrets. Even if he didn’t know the trio were hiding in the cave, he still might accidentally reveal the location to people who are looking in the area.

        By the way, great job on the show!

        • lifeanddragons

          Yeah, I agree about Hagrid! And thank you! 🙂

  • Lord_Trolldemort

    Just a thought here, but one of the last places that Voldemort or any of the Death Eaters would think to check would be nearby one of their own strongholds. While the risk of being discovered is all the more deadly with closing their proximity to the Death Eaters, they could perhaps have tried to infiltrate the empty house of the Carrows when they were out teaching at Hogwarts. Or even camping on the grounds of one of the wealthier families. As long as they keep hidden and keep a particularly low profile or good disguise (maybe as a grounds-keepers or a servants or cooks), there’s quite a chance that, in the Death Eater’s hubris, they would be overlooked completely for a good long while.

  • They could hideout on the Hogwarts express in the time between holidays where it must lay unused someplace out of the way of both Muggles and Wizards.

  • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

    Hermione says they can’t book rooms at the Leaky Cauldron. Clearly she is not thinking about their available methods of disguise, because while Harry Potter and friends cannot book rooms, three random people surely can. I don’t know why they don’t use Hermione’s talent for transfigurations more often, it must be way more comfortable that Polyjuice potion if she just gives each of them different features and throws in a bit of muggle hair dye.

    The principle of “they don’t think that we would be so stupid to do this, so le’s do it” is a funny one to use in stories, but usually it has downsides. Staying at the Leaky Cauldron would not have worked for long, but it was an alternative to empty landscape far away from any supplies.

  • VoiceofDobby

    I don’t think they could’ve found another, more suitable hiding spot. I agree that it was stupid to pick a place that could be easily connected to Harry, but really, no issues arise from the fact that they are staying there. The death eaters watch them, but nothing comes out of it; Yaxley apparated with them. It was probably best that they go to Grimmauld Place, since they had the opportunity to talk to Kreacher and get information on R.A.B. They needed to be in the center of the war, and in a city. for example, Harry and Co. uses the newspaper as a source of information. Grimmauld Place is also in a good location to access the ministry.
    It’s also a familiar location to the trio, which, no matter how safe or unsafe it is, would help give anyone a much needed sense of stability and comfort in a chaotic situation.

  • RoseLumos

    I wonder how hard it would be to Apparate to another country? At this point all three of them realize that they have no idea where the Horcruxs are. While, at this point, they can assume that they are all in Britain, it’s not like they are actively hunting them down. Meanwhile, Harry is the most wanted teenager in Britain and it’s not safe for him to be anywhere in the public. I wonder if they ever considered hiding out in France or Ireland where the Death Eaters would have a harder time finding them. Then they could figure out a plan and do some research in a relatively safe area and then travel back to London or wherever they need to go to find the Horcruxs again. This would have also helped in the winter if they could have found a warmer place to camp out.

    • SlytherinKnight

      But that would require thinking of behalf of the Trio. For all of the planning that Hermione did with her beaded bag, the Trio was still woefully unprepared for what they were getting themselves in too. This fault doesn’t fall on the Trio for the most part, it also falls on Dumbledore for not divulging all of the information about the Horcruxes that he had gathered, as well as Dumbledore’s ‘advice’ to keep the secret so tight knit that the Trio is actively refusing help from the Order (even though Harry says in the Fallen Warrior chapter that he trusts all the Order). You would think that Remus, who has had to survive on the edges of civilization his entire life, would be the perfect person to at least bounce ideas off of so they could be better prepared. Hermione had muggle money didn’t she? So why didn’t they every once in a while go to a muggle town and buy supplies (food, warm clothing, etc.)

      I think JKR wrote the ‘camping trip’ the way she did as a way to show the desperation that was entering the minds and souls of the Trio at this point in time.

      • RoseLumos

        Yes, I bet Remus would have actually been a huge help in this part of the story. And I do think Hermione does use Muggle money to go shopping occasionally. At least, I remember one part where she sneaks into a grocery store at night and leaves money in the till.

    • Felix Scamander

      It’s possible, but ‘only skilled wizards attempt it’ – Pottermore
      Also, in the wizarding world, Ireland and Britain are the same thing so…

      • RoseLumos

        Ah, I forgot both of those parts. I bet Hermione could figure it out with practice, but I bet Harry and Ron would have trouble.

    • SnapesManyButtons

      I believe Voldemort was with Grindelwald in Europe somewhere when Harry got caught in the Ravenclaw common room while looking for the Diadem, and he immediately started flying back. It says he was flying over water and would soon be within apparating distance, so there is a limit to how far you can Apparate. I don’t have my book with me, maybe someone can correct me if I’m wrong about the details, but I definitely remember the part about him not being within apparating distance. Maybe you could do it in several jumps, though, as long as the closest distance across water wasn’t too far.

      • RoseLumos

        That does sound right. I wonder how hard it is to set up a Portkey? I know that they are technically illegal without approval, but at this point I don’t think anyone in the wizarding world cares about what’s legal anymore. Too bad Sirius’s bike was destroyed – I bet the trio could have used it, although it would have been fairly loud and obvious. On an off topic, do we every find out how the Weasleys travel to Egypt in PoA to visit Bill? I doubt they would have used a Muggle option. Can Portkeys even go that far?

        On an off-off topic, I wonder how Hermione gets to Australia later to get her parents back? I’m sure she’s flown in an airplane before, but if Ron went with her… oh I want to read a fan fic with Ron on an airplane. Not only would he find the whole thing incredibly confusing and possibly terrifying, but can you image the stress of being in a small, contained tube thousands of miles in the air for hours just a few weeks after being on the run? THAT would be stressful.

  • Yo Rufus On Fire

    I am very surprised that Ron did not offer up Shell Cottage before as a place to hide. Bill and Fleur are already living there, right? Shell Cottage is used as a safe house and this would be the perfect time to go there.

    At the same time, I don’t think that it would be a good idea for them to stay there for a period of time because people would still be asking questions. I think Grimmauld place is a fine place for them to be because it is hidden away and the death eaters can’t get inside it and the trio has a whole set up after they been there a while.

    It’s actually when they leave Grimmauld place and they have to start camping is when it get very uncomfortable. Grimmauld place isn’t that bad. They have food, hot water, plumbing and bathrooms and showers, and warmth. But when they have to start camping they are ill prepared because they can’t go back to Grimmauld place. This is definitely where Ron should have brought of Shell Cottage. At least for them to get supplies and then to go off on their own.

    • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

      I believe they took it very seriously when Arthur’s patronus message said Don’t reply. We’re being watched.
      When they can’t contact anyone from the Weasley’s or from the order, because that would alert the DEs that they’ve been in contact with the trio and put them in danger of being tortured, captured or worse, there aren’t many persons left that they know and who would help them.
      Maybe Shell Cottage as a place is not being watched, because when Ron goes there it seems to be ok and nobody but Bill and Fleur knows he’s there. But they can only stay at the place after the Fidelius Charm is put into place and the DEs have confirmation that Ron is with Harry.

      Sending them a muggle letter and asking for food and supplies would have been possible, though. Like they supplied Sirius with stuff when he lived in the cave. Bill is the smartest of the Weasley kids, he’s a curse breaker, he knows how to do stuff. Fleur might do what Molly did and try to keep them safe, but she’s a Triwizard champion, she knows that you can’t always keep away from danger.

  • DisKid

    I don’t think any place would have better helped them. I think they were in the right spots they needed to be in at the correct times (with a little luck of course). If we’re talking more comfortable though….guess they could have tricked a muggle hotel into thinking they could check into room!

  • DoraNympha

    I can’t believe I hadn’t thought of Weasleys’ Wizard Wheezes up until like 5 mins ago – I’ve always wondered if they could have just gone to Ollivander’s or Florean’s attic, precisely because no one would think they are hiding in the most popular wizarding street in Britain, right? The DEs would have a case of not seeing the wood for the trees. And I know Arthur said they were being watched but the trio has an invisibility cloak so why not go to WWW during opening hours? I bet there are hidden cupboards or panic rooms or secret passageways out of Diagon Alley behind some floorboard or something, so even if DEs or Ministry people or Snatchers come poking around or raiding the place they won’t find Harry, Ron and Hermione – the only flaw in this plan is actually something my very Gryffindor boyfriend just said upon hearing my idea: no Gryffindor would have a panic room in their house.
    Okay, well, Fred and George would have some trick bookcase or some thing, though, wouldn’t they? Do we think this is plausible, regardless of the neccessity for the trio to spend some time isolated and helplessly hunting Horcruxes in woods?

    • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

      there’s a hiding spot beneath the hanging rack with the shield hats, shield capes etc. Any spell aimed at someone under there would backfire into seven different directions.

      • DoraNympha

        I like this. [slams Skiving Snacks on ground] Another!

        And if it’s deep enough underground or enchanted somehow then it should shield against Homenum Revelio too. Hiding the most wanted people in Britain is a bit earresponsible, but what’s life without a little risk?

        Seriously though, we don’t know how or when exactly they stopped keeping the shop open – in the event they had to leave in a hurry, I bet they’d had a secret tunnel leading into Muggle London since they set up business!

  • SoGrangerous

    Where is the safest place that the Trio could have thought of at the time? Even Grimmauld place was not safe as far as they knew. Going to somebody else’s house would have endangered them as well as risked having to tell them the plan. So that would have ruled out places like Weasley’s Wizard Wheezes or Shell Cottage.

    You’d have to be able to apparate there, and get there quickly in case of trouble, which rules out places like Hogwarts. If they had known Aberforth at the time, he might have been able to offer some help, but would he have actually done it? I don’t know. He helps the kids at Hogwarts because they were in real danger, but to help Harry Potter execute Albus’s hair-brained scheme might have been too much.

    There are very few other places that would be secluded, secret, obscure, and protected enough to be safe and quick to get to. Maybe if they were able to make a secret base under the Potter House in Godric’s hollow? But would Harry have wanted to disturb the remnants of his old family home? Would they have been able to stay in a vault at Gringotts?

    Probably the best alternative would be to set up base outside of the UK. You can still do business in the UK, but be able to quickly apparate there if needed. Course, they would still have to spend a lot of time and effort setting up the same charms that are already in place a Grimmauld Place…maybe that was the best place they could have been after all.

  • Griff

    I know this question is more about thinking up cool places they could have hidden- but it made me realize the emotional importance of Grimmauld Place to Harry’s growth. I love the plot line with Kreacher, and the way Harry ultimately realizes the elf’s back story, and how much more to Kreacher there was. It is a side plot of redemption akin to Malfoy’s, and also ties in the treatment of house elves, along with Harry continuing coming to terms with Sirius’ death.