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Podcast Question of the Week- Episode 162

This week, we leave the trio and ask what was going on at Hogwarts:

At the beginning of this chapter, we learn that Snape has been made Hogwarts Headmaster. Ron comments on this, saying, “The other teachers won’t stand for this. McGonagall and Flitwick and Sprout all know the truth, they know how Dumbledore died. They won’t accept Snape as headmaster.” (UK paperback pg 186). Harry, however, thinks that the other Heads of House would accept the decision and stay at the school in order to protect the students. How did McGonagall, Flitwick, Sprout, and the rest of the teachers react to this decision, and what exactly are they doing to protect their students? What was the transition to Snape’s appointment like considering the last time he was at Hogwarts he was running away?

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  • Casey L.

    First of all, I think it’s possible both Harry and Ron are partly right. The teachers, particularly the Heads of House, obviously stayed at the school and protected the students as much as they could, but that doesn’t mean they accepted the situation, if by accepting, you mean they welcomed Snape and the Death Eaters in with open arms and actively helped them achieve their goals. What the staff does to protect the students is probably a combination of what we see in Order and what we hear from Neville later – they do as little as possible to help Snape and the Death Eaters, they try not to put students in detention, etc.

    For most of the staff, there probably wasn’t much chance to react to the transition. I’m guessing Snape was appointed Headmaster at least a week, if not two or three, before the announcement in the Prophet. Most of the teacher probably would have been returning from break in the week or two before the school year started, so the new regime would have had to be in place before they came back to Hogwarts.

    The notable exception to this is McGonagall who should have been at Hogwarts prior to the Ministry’s fall, sending first-year, supply and prefect letters and planning visits to those students raised by muggles. If she was there, I can’t imagine her putting up too much of a fight. First of all, it probably would have been suicidal to take them on if she was alone. Secondly, she’s needed at the school, by the Order, the other staff members and even Snape to some extent. Sure he was a former Head of House, but now, he’s jumping up to Headmaster and facing an at least mostly hostile staff, some of whom believe he killed Dumbledore. He needs someone who 1) knows the inner workings at the highest level of the school and 2) will provide some semblance of normalcy and legitimacy to the leadership at Hogwarts.

  • I tend to agree with Harry. I don’t think the other teachers would be happy with the decision given the information they have on Snape at the moment. But they would never say anything. Not out of cowardice but so that they could be there to protect the students. If they spoke up it would be an official public declaration against Voldemort and he would never stand for that. They know he would very likely kill them making it impossible for them to keep students even remotely safe.

  • ISeeThestrals

    Happy Halloween Everyone!

    • Outspoken1

      A moment of silence for James and Lily (and maybe the cat) as well as the thought that Harry is on his way to the Dursley’s and Petunia will soon learn that she has lost her sister. Oh yes, and Sirius is about to commit a crime that will send him to Azkaban and Pettigrew will end up in the Weasley’s household. And Voldy is gone … at least for now. How’s that for a busy couple of nights!

      • SocksAreImportant

        Also a moment of silence for the Troll in the bathroom, whom we can assume is still alive, but did suffer a harsh blow to the head that likely gave him a long headache.

        • RoseLumos

          Also, a moment of silence for Nearly Headless Nick, who was having a perfectly good deathday party until the Headless Hunt showed up. And to Mrs. Norris, who was petrified. And to Ginny, who probably woke up in the middle of a corridor covered in blood and cat hair and probably had a panic attack.

  • DoraNympha

    I think it’s fair to say McGonagall, Flitwick and Sprout would have had their ways of passive-aggressively resisting Snape and the Carrows. In OotP, when Umbridge banned conversation between students and teachers about topics other than the lessons, they still found their ways to express their support. Sprout gave Harry tons of points for little work, and Flitwick gave Harry a box of Sugar Mice for the Quibbler article, didn’t he? And McGonagall’s reactions to everything in Umbridge’s presence is probably indication as to what she was like during Deathly Hallows, just without the truthtime outbursts she had that made Umbridge fly off the handle so much. Slughorn probably tried in his meakly way not to make matters worse than they were, I’d imagine him pretending to have a lovely chat with a student about Celestina Warbeck as soon as a Carrow spots them talking or catches a student in the wrong, much like how Lupin covered for Harry in PoA when Snape caught him sneaking around in search of Pettigrew at night, but I have a feeling Slughorn is more transparent about these things than teachers like McGonagall. Madam Pomfrey would be the person that frets the most about the actual punishments because she’d be faced with students who’ve been physically abused, she’d face the real horror of the Carrows’ sadism but I think she’d want to stay on all the more, out of a duty to help. Hagrid, as we know, is more obvious than this, he doesn’t know subtlety, he threw a Support Harry Potter party, for heaven’s sake. It’s a miracle he lasted as long as he did anyway. I guess it’s pretty lucky Umbridge has moved on to the Muggleborn Registration Committee – if she were still in charge of education, she would have fired Hagrid and Trelawney first thing and who knows what else she would have done.

    Trouble is, the teachers can’t help if the students do something impossible to cover up for. We saw McGonagall’s reaction in OotP when Harry wouldn’t understand to keep his words to himself in Umbridge’s class. I imagine she’d be the same way when Neville and co. graffiti the walls and get caught. She dupports the sentiment but not the recklessness. I could imagine Sprout and Flitwick actually talking to their houses in private in the common rooms at the beginning of the year, a kind of heart to heart about what is to be expected of the school and to just make sure not to do anything stupid. To the first years, furthermore, not to believe anything the Carrows try to brainwash them with.

    To be honest I don’t know what Slughorn was doing all this time, he doesn’t support Voldemort but he is Head of Slytherin and so he is in this weird middle-position. McGonagall calls on him and Slytherin house to make up their minds about where their loyalties lie. This makes me think Slughorn hadn’t been doing anything particularly in defiance of Snape/DEs/Voldemort/the Carrows but it’s his personality to make light of tense situations for the sake of pleasantness. I can imagine him lessening the Carrows’ cruelty the same way he makes light of nasty comments among his dinner guests.

    Apparently Snape is not interacting much with the other inhabitants of the school, but I would love to see a moment where McGonagall and Snape talk face to face, both knowing exactly what the other is, McGonagall keeping a straight face but making Snape feel two-feet small with her usual majestic choice of words.

    • BadgermoleButterbeer

      The thought of Sprout talking to the first years in the Hufflepuff common room just gave me the idea that Hufflepuff house took it as their personal responsibility to take care of all the first years irrespective of what house they were in. I bet every first year that needed a hug that year got one when they needed it.

  • Flitteriefie

    Serious question time: How many teachers are at Hogwarts?

    It seems really weird that there is only one teacher who teaches each subject, but we never learn of the existence of others. For me it would seem logical to have a separate teacher for the first few years, the OWL courses and the NEWT courses (it would also save the first year students from the traumatic experience, which is Professor Snape). Plus Hogwarts should have extra lessons for slower students.

    And now to the actual question of the week.
    When Harry informs the teachers Snape killed Dumbledore they are pretty surprised, especially Slughorn. So maybe not every teacher accepted the truth they heard from a second-hand account.
    Also we see Snape through the eyes of a student (Harry), and he probably had a different relationship with other teachers, simply because teachers usually have very similar problems with the students.
    We see Snape interract with other teachers only a few times: he had a rivalry going on with McGonagall over the Quidditch Cup, Hagrid always stood up for him, and he probably had to work with Sprout in Chamber of Secrets to make the antidote for the victims of the Basilisk. And surprisingly Lockhart was under the impression he had a good relationship with Snape. (???) All through the series I thought the Hogwarts staff was okay with Snape, maybe they didn’t have a secret Severus Fan Club but at least they co-existed quiet peacefully.

    I don’t think they were particularly happy about the new headmaster first, but they probably realized the situation isn’t as bad as it could be. If I were Voldemort I would have used Hogwarts as headquarters.
    Even though we see the heads of houses are really antagonistic towards Snape but they still stay at Hogwarts, and even Hagrid managed stay on as a professor until he throws a party.

    I know everyone wants to think the teachers stayed there to protect the children, but Hogwarts seems to be a pretty quiet and calm place to live during a war. I can totally see certain professors *cough* Slughorn *cough* recognizing the advantages of a comfortable teaching position, where you are safe as long as you don’t seek out trouble.

    • Casey L.

      It does seem there is just one teacher per subject during Harry’s years, but maybe that was not always the case. Don’t forget that Harry’s generation was born during/at the end of a war. I could imagine class sizes being unusually small during these years, but maybe being larger starting with Ginny’s class or the class that came after hers. Likewise, the classes born during Harry’s fifth, sixth and seventh years might be smaller than those coming before and after them.

      • Flitteriefie

        Even if there are small classes, they teachers would still have four individual groups of each year/class and that takes time.

        • Casey L.

          Not necessarily. The NEWT and elective classes, for example, were combined classes. And without having Harry’s schedules handy, it seems there were some “double” classes with other houses as well. So an elective course teacher would have “only” five classes per year, and a “core” course teacher (potions, charms, herbology, transfiguration, DADA, history) may have had between 12 and 22.

  • Mischief Managed

    I definitely think they really don’t have a choice as to whether or not they “accept” Snape as headmaster. He has been appointed by the Ministry, and I’m sure that these teachers are smart enough to realize that there’s been a takeover…Especially those with ties to the Order. So to fight would, as some have said, have been basically suicidal. I think that they’d have been protecting their students in subtle ways. I like a lot of what Casey L, said…it would likely throw back to methods used in OOTP. However, I think it would go even further than it did in OOTP. Umbridge was terrible, and had her quill of death, but the Carrows are actually worse…they will use the Cruciatus curse on students. I think, once teachers realized this, they would do everything in their power to stop this without getting fired. And, alternatively, I think even Snape would be trying to protect students however he can, even though he must keep up appearances for Voldemort. I can see teachers making sure students didn’t ever get in trouble trying to keep students from the Carrows at every moment possible. I can imagine lots of little “emergencies” popping up when a Carrow does get hold of a student in order to somehow try to save students from these punishments. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of inexplicable things tended to happen to the Carrows. Peeves especially, I think, would have given them a lot of trouble. I think he really honestly does like the students in his own weird way, plus he essentially feeds off of the students’ spirits of playfulness and mischief that the Carrows would have been stifling. And this could have been a way for teachers to plausibly create these “emergencies” that I referenced earlier…”Alecto, Peeves set fire to your office!” or “Amycus, Peeves threw all of your belongings into the lake!”

    • Casey L.

      The staff joining forces with Peeves – I love it! They’d take “It unscrews the other way” to a whole new level!

  • SnapesManyButtons

    Of course the teachers wouldn’t just accept Snape as Headmaster. They’d want to quit in protest, want to fight him at every turn, want revenge. But they’d also want to protect the students and make sure they got the education they deserved. It would only take one look at the Carrows to know what would happen if any teacher quit, their post would be filled by a Death Eater. So they stayed, fighting back in any way they could, like they did with Umbridge. I’m sure they avoided sending students for discipline that would be administered by the Carrows. They probably used Snape’s rules against him, were slow in answering requests, maybe even used little hexes on him that annoyed, but not badly enough that he’d be certain someone had done it. They’d make Snape’s life as uncomfortable as possible. Snape would be treated as a pariah, snubbed and avoided. Spoken to only as required. But he knew why, expected it, even felt he deserved it.

    The transition would have been hard on all of them, Snape included. Contrary to Harry’s beliefs, Snape’s return to Hogwarts wasn’t the triumphant one it would have been had he been a loyal Death Eater. It would be the last place on Earth he’d want to go, but as with the rest of his life, he didn’t have the option to do what he wanted, only what he must. He couldn’t do anything except play his part, the Death Eater Headmaster. He had to implement the hated anti-Muggle programs and severe disciplines or he’d be replaced as Headmaster. His life was a balance of how far he could go to reign in the Carrows and keep the rebellions down, while still looking enough like a Death Eater to keep his position in place. Because the most important thing wasn’t the hatred and resistance he faced, it was keeping his cover and staying alive long enough to help Harry and tell him what he needed to know.

    • SocksAreImportant

      I am not sure I believe being headmaster at Hogwarts was the last place on Earth he would want to go, but now you make me wonder where he would have gone had he not gone there. Where would he have gone if not Hogwarts? Do you think he would have actively tried to find Harry and tell him the truth?

      • Mischief Managed

        I think Voldemort would have had Snape very close, doing his bidding. After Snape kills Dumbledore, he pretty much becomes Voldemort’s “right hand man”-we even see this in the first chapter of the book. I believe that in Voldemort’s mind Snape is his most trusted Death Eater-almost the second in command, if Voldemort had one. So really, Hogwarts is the best place for Snape to be-and probably where he wants go be, at least given the alternative. If Snape wasn’t at Hogwarts, I don’t think he would have been able to find or help Harry in any way. At the very least, it would have been a lot more difficult simply given the increased time spent around Voldemort.

        • SocksAreImportant

          This is exactly what I think. I don’t think Snape wanted to be anywhere near Voldemort.

      • SnapesManyButtons

        Why would be want to be at Hogwarts? Snape never wanted to be a teacher in the first place, I don’t see him wanting to be Headmaster. Especially when he’d have to work with a staff who hates him and sees him as a murderer who betrayed their years of trust. And when he knew he’d have to watch students he’d known for years, and despite popular opinion never wanted to see harmed, being abused and tortured by the Carrows. He knew he couldn’t just stop everything they did, he could only step in where he was sure it wouldn’t look too suspicious. He’d be surrounded by people who at best barely tolerated him and at worst want to harm or kill him. It wouldn’t be like when he was teaching. He’d be walking a fine line between appearing to be a faithful Death Eater Headmaster and trying to protect the students and staff as best he could. One misstep could not only lead to his death, but leave the school to the Carrows and keep him from completing his mission to help Harry defeat Voldemort. Literally nobody was on his side, even the Carrows resented him for not being given a free hand to punish as they wished. He didn’t even have his familiar quarters, he had to live in the rooms of the man he was forced to kill – the only person who really ever trusted him. I can’t imagine a single day went by that wasn’t painful in some fashion. Regardless, Snape would be where he needed to be to best fulfill his mission.

        As for where he’d be otherwise, it may sound crazy, but at least with Voldemort he’d be with someone who trusted him. The Death Eaters would treat him with respect, at least in front of Voldy, and would not be able to harm him without Voldemort’s permission. He was probably actually safer there than at the school. And as Right Hand man he wouldn’t be sent on grunt missions, but would probably be the one sending others out to do them. But he wouldn’t be there, he’d be where he had to be to keep his word to Dumbledore, at Hogwarts.

        • ISeeThestrals

          Your comment on ‘Snape never wanted to be a teacher in the first place’ caught my attention. What did he want to be if not a teacher? I was certain it was stated in one of the books perhaps by Dumbledore that Snape always wanted to teach the Dark Arts class, but Dumbledore wouldn’t let him. I know Tom Riddle wanted to teach, and I thought Snape did as well.

          • SnapesManyButtons

            He was drafted into the teaching job because both Voldemort and Dumbledore wanted him there as part of his spying. When he agreed to do “anything” to get Dumbledore to protect Lily and her family, that was part of the deal. Had none of that happened, he wouldn’t have been considered for the job and wouldn’t have wanted to go back to the place where he was bullied for years and where Dumbledore let Sirius get away with trying to kill him. He really never had a choice about it. He’s not exactly a “people person” and clearly doesn’t like kids. He’s a powerful wizard, made his own spells while still in school, and is a master at potions, there were probably a lot of things he’d rather have done with his talents and skills. Since he was stuck teaching, though, he did have a preference of what he wanted to teach. Potions is a very exacting art and it must have been very frustrating to have class after class not paying attention, being sloppy and potentially blowing up a cauldron or spraying dangerous liquids all over each other. He wanted to teach DADA because he knew the subject from both sides and knew the students needed to be prepared for the coming conflicts. Notice how much better the class goes than his potions classes, even Neville does better. But if he had his choice, I think he’d have left Hogwarts behind and opened an Apothecary or created spells. Something that challenged his intellect and used his skills.

        • Mischief Managed

          But being with Voldemort also means being with Lily’s killer…and having to work more often to hide his true allegiance. So sure, he is treated with respect…but it isnt respect he even wants. Plus, given the fact that Voldemort is, well, Voldemort, and that he killed Snape in the end, I disagree that being with Voldemort would be safer for Snape. The other teachers may hate him, but they would not harm him in front of the students…plus, them harming Snape may land them with 1. Voldemort coming to the school to seek revenge, 2. Voldemort himself taking over (unlikely, yes, but technically possible) or 3. Someone actually worse being instated as headmaster (like one of the Carrows). I don’t think they’d be willin to take that risk.

          • SnapesManyButtons

            At this point, nowhere is safe for Snape and he didn’t want to be at either place, with Voldy or at Hogwarts. I only point out the irony that at least among the Death Eaters he’s not faced with outright hate and hostility that he faces at Hogwarts. The only person who actually trusts him is the person he’s betraying, not any of the people he’s putting his life on the line for. Just seemed strangely ironic.

            It’s really not the teachers that make Hogwarts more dangerous for Snape, but rather the tightrope he has to walk between trying to protect the students as best he can and playing the Death Eater Headmaster. A small slip could not only blow his cover, but put the entire war at risk if he can’t fulfill his mission.

            If you think about it, though, Voldemort wouldn’t have killed Snape if not for Dumbledore’s plan. Voldemort actually trusted and considered Snape his Right Hand man to the end. So why did he kill him? For Mastery of the Elder Wand. And why did he think Snape was Master of the Wand? Because Dumbledore set it up so he would know Snape killed him. Snape thought it was to save Draco and improve his position in the ranks of Death Eaters, but that was only part of it. At the end of DH, Harry tells Voldemort, “Snape never beat Dumbledore! Dumbledore’s death was planned between them! Dumbledore intended to die undefeated, the wand’s last true master!” [DH, Pg. 742. US paperback] But he never mentioned this part to Snape. Dumbledore set it up so Voldemort would kill Snape and think he had Mastery of the Elder Wand, when he didn’t. Harry wasn’t the only one Dumbledore was willing to send out to die. I don’t think Snape ever thought he’d live though the war, but I also don’t think he ever thought it’d be Dumbledore who would seal his fate.

          • Mischief Managed

            Wow, great points. I’d honestly n ed very even though of Dumbledore sending Snape to his death…begs the “how much does Dumbledore know/plan” question again. It is sadly ironic that only Voldemort trusts Snape. Almost literally…many death eaters (Bellatrix anyone) don’t eveneed seem to trust him. Perhaps this is part of what compelled him to share his memories with Harry at the end of the book…just the overwhelming desire for someone to trust him besides Lily’s killer.

          • SnapesManyButtons

            The sad thing is that Snape would have still killed Dumbledore, even if he knew it meant Voldemort would try to kill him for the Elder Wand. He should have been told the truth after all he did for Dumbledore. But you raise a good point, too. With Dumbledore gone, nobody knew the truth of Snape’s true allegiance and motivations. At least Harry would know the truth and would have some memories of his mother that nobody else had.

          • Mischief Managed

            Why is it that you think Snape would have still killed Dumbledore even if he knew about the Elder wand? (Not that I necessarily disagree, just wondering) Unless I’m remembering the timeline incorrectly, Snape’s Unbreakable Vow came after Dumbledore’s hand curse…Dumbledore suspected that Draco would be told to kill him and asked Snape to do it instead before Narcissa came to Spinner’s End, correct? So do you believe Snape would have killed Dumbledore just to protect Draco?

          • SnapesManyButtons

            I think he would have done it to keep Mastery of the Elder Wand from Voldemort, which was the real reason Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him. Because Dumbledore would be killed by agreement, he would never have been defeated and would die as the Elder Wand’s last Master. Nobody would ever be able to become it’s Master again. Even knowing this would set him up so that Voldemort would think Snape the new Master, and believe he had to kill him for Mastery of the Wand, I think Snape would do it. All that stuff about Draco and not wanting to be killed painfully by Death Eaters was true, but keeping the Elder Wand from Voldemort was the main reason Dumbledore needed Snape to kill him.

          • The Half Blood Princess

            We don’t see any death eaters other than Bellatrix not trusting him, and she distrusts everyone… any DE not as loyal as she is is not loyal enough!

          • Mischief Managed

            Maybe it’s just me reading too far into it, and I can’t even necessarily point to any canonical proof, but I always got the sense that Bellatrix was not alone in her mistrust of Snape.

            Also, I’m sorry for all the mistakes on that last post. I was on my phone and I think autocorrect got the best of me. Should’ve proofread!

          • SnapesManyButtons

            I don’t have the page # with me, but in Half Blood Prince when Snape is answering Bellatrix’s questions about his loyalty, he mentions others who “carry tales of my treachery to the Dark Lord,” so there are definitely others who mistrust Snape.

  • SocksAreImportant

    It is made quite clear that Voldemort has taken over Hogwarts when we learn that he has made attendance mandatory. My impression was always that Snape was rarely seen or heard while he was headmaster. I think once the school year started, it became clear that the Carrows were the real threat to the students.

    I think the other staff members try to have their students avoid seeing Snape at all costs. Discipline student’s themselves and not have them see the headmaster. They stayed at Hogwarts to protect the students as much as they could.

    About the transition of Snape as headmaster considering his last time fleeing the school, it makes me wonder if Voldemort ever made an appearance at Hogwarts prior to the final battle. A speech of some sort to the staff and to the students about his new reign over the school.

    I also think it would incredibly intriguing to hear any speeches that Snape made as headmaster. Then again, I am always intrigued about anything Snape related. :)

    • Yo Rufus On Fire

      I really like this, but I don’t think Voldemort made a speech to the staff at the beginning of the year. He doesn’t want people to know that he is actually taking over and he has Snape and the Death Eaters to do all his work.

      I know it’s not in the book, but the speech at Alan Rickman makes in Part II is bone chillingly wonderful!

      • The Half Blood Princess

        Yes! Alan Rickman Snape isn’t book Snape…. but that doesn’t mean Alan Rickman Snape isn’t amazing.

  • SpinnersEnd

    How exactly did Voldemort take over Hogwarts? If McGonnagal was serving as Headmistress at the end of the year, I can’t imaging her easily giving up the post, especially to Snape. Did it take Snape or Voldemort threatening her with an Unforgivable Curse? Or threatening the students?

    How did Voldemort get her out of the position?

    • SnapesManyButtons

      There’s a Board of Governors (I think that’s what it’s called) that has authority over the school. That’s how Lucius got Dumbledore kicked out for a while, they appoint the Headmaster. When Voldemort took over the Ministry, I guess he also got power over the Board. I bet the Ministry took it over when Umbridge was in, remember how they kept interfering and setting new rules? She’d go to Fudge and get him to overrule Dumbledore. Minerva was just acting Headmaster until the actual one was appointed so she had no say in who got the job.

  • DreamGalleon88

    I think both Harry and Ron’s reactions are valid. Ron sums up what the Hogwarts teachers thought in their heads, but didn’t dare voice aloud, when Snape’s appointment was announced. Being wise and clever wizards and witches, the Hogwarts teachers such as Flitwick, Sprout and McGonagall must’ve decided that staying at the school to protect the students far outweighed the pros of leaving Hogwarts to save themselves.
    The Hogwarts teachers would’ve banded together once Snape was announced as headmaster and just by staying at Hogwarts, they could keep an eye on the day-to-day well-being of their students. Maybe they couldn’t stop the cruel actions done by the Carrows, but for example, as McGonagall is the head of Gryffindor house, she still maintains authority over her students. As Voldemort makes no move to attack the teachers at Hogwarts still loyal to Harry, as he believes his death eaters being a part of the staff is enough, they could use this to their advantage and use spells covertly to reverse any torture spells the death eaters would perform on “misbehaving” students.
    With Snape returning to Hogwarts after running away in Half-Blood Prince, I think he would walk into the Great Hall like he never left. He never had a problem making himself appear terrifying at Hogwarts before, so I wouldn’t imagine a major change in his character now. It would be a challenge for him to maintain his death eater façade while secretly working for Dumbledore though. Not many witnesses saw him running from the battle in Half-Blood Prince anyway, apparently only those belonging to the Order of the Phoenix saw him as a part of the battle then.

  • RoseLumos

    I would have loved to see the Great Hall during the sorting and start of term feast. If the Gryffindor table didn’t attempt to start a full scale riot, I would be very surprised. As for the teachers, I think they would have put on a brave face for the students. They know that actively acting out could be dangerous, so if they play it cool and keep their noses down they will stay out of trouble and set a good example for the students. I’m sure McGonagall, Flitwick, and Sprout would all want to curse Snape the moment his back is turned, but for now it’s best to stay quite. In fact, is Snape really was a true Death Eater, he probably would have order Ginny, Neville, and Luna killed rather than sent to the forest with Hagrid for detention.

    Speaking of Hagrid, I image that he was NOT happy about having Snape back. If anyone was to attack Snape, it would have been him. I’m sure McGonagall had a long talk with Hagrid about keeping it cool because I am sure Hagrid would have done something rash that could have resulted in him getting killed.

    On another note, it’s mentioned later in the book that Snape does in fact get into Dumbledore’s office. When Dumbledore leaves in OotP his office locks itself to Umbridge, yet it lets Snape in. I wonder if this was supposed to be a clue to the teachers that Dumbledore did approve of Snape taking his position and that this was part of his plan all along.

    • Yo Rufus On Fire

      I have a feeling that the welcome feast was a lot more somber this year. This is the first school year without Dumbledore and with everything going in the world. I’m sure some parents warned they’re children to not act out. I think that some students would have acted out in the beginning but after seeing the consequences I could see them shutting up real quickly and keeping their head down low.

    • SwishAndFlick27

      On your point about Dumbledore’s office locking up, Dumbledore was still alive when Umbridge tried to get in. Maybe the enchantment died with Dumbledore?

      I can totally see McGonagall having to talk to Hagrid about keeping his cool. To be honest though, I’m surprised that the Carrows or even Voldemort didn’t protest about Hagrid working at Hogwarts and have him killed or banished. I mean, it’s Voldemort’s fault that Hagrid isn’t a full wizard. I bet he would have found it entertaining to send Hagrid away from Hogwarts. I can definitely see Hagrid being banned from teaching anyway.

      • RoseLumos

        I can see it to. From a strategic standpoint, Hagrid would also be a threat since normal spells don’t work on him. Also, his size and power means he could kill someone with one hand if he wanted (and I’m sure he wanted to do that to Snape).

        With the office, maybe it’s not a Dumbledore spell but a Hogwarts spell? Maybe Hogwarts will only allow a headmaster in the office if it thinks they are worthy. It’s a long shot and brings up a lot of the “if it alive” debates, but I could see it happening.

        • SwishAndFlick27

          Since the book mainly focuses on the trio, we don’t really know what went down at Hogwarts. I find it surprising that Hagrid was allowed to stay, since he is a half giant, and as you pointed out, dangerous when he wants to be. For all we know though, maybe Hagrid had to escape Hogwarts in a similar way to when Umbridge tried to get rid of him in OotP? Hagrid could have hid in Sirius’s cave all year and went back to Hogwarts to help in the battle at the end of the book. I can’t remember at what point it’s mentioned that Snape sends Ginny, Neville and Luna into the forest with Hagrid, but if it’s early on, this could be the case.

          This also raises questions about Filch, since he’s a squib. But I suppose if he’s doing the cleaning and caretaking, perhaps the Death Eaters would have seen this as acceptable because it would be ‘muggle’s work’

          I wondered that about the office too. It makes sense because the headmaster can’t just cast a spell if they get kicked out so that no one else can take their place. That wouldn’t be good for the school. Maybe the office is like the Sorting Hat in that it can see who will make a good headmaster. Someone who will benefit the school. But that raises the question, did Snape actually benefit the school? Was he a good headmaster?

          • HowAmIGoingToTranslateThis

            and what about Firenze? He’s there in the Battle of Hogwarts, but was he in the castle all year, or even teaching?

          • SwishAndFlick27

            I very much doubt that Firenze would be allowed to teach at Hogwarts. The Death Eaters see centaurs as no more than animals after all. I think that Firenze would get banished to the Forest. As for the other centaurs, they paid a tribute to Dumbledore at his funeral, and they end up fighting for the good side in the Battle. They must have realised that humans aren’t that bad and let Firenze re-join the herd at some point during the year.

  • SwishAndFlick27

    You hear in the news about teachers sacrificing themselves to save their students in school shootings. I have no doubt that the Hogwarts staff would do the same. Especially considering that Hogwarts is a boarding school, the teachers are not only responsible for the students during class time, but also in their free time as well. The teachers are guardians to the students. They would see it as their duty to protect them.

    I would think that each Head of House would put protective wards on their house’s dormitories and common rooms, and that they would always provide refuge for students in their office for a while if they were in trouble. Seeing as Snape wasn’t really a Death Eater, but was still cruel, I think he would let the Carrows do what they wanted as long as things didn’t go too far.

    As soon as Snape became headmaster, he would have lain down the rules and he definitely wouldn’t hesitate from saying that Voldemort would deal with anyone who strayed from those rules. Snape kept control through fear, and the other teachers had to keep their courage in order to protect the students.

  • SocksAreImportant

    Yes I think Snape would have used fear and intimidation as Headmaster. He would simply need to say that he would get Voldemort involved or remember what I did to Dumbledore to get the teachers and students in line. I don’t think he would have needed to actually do anything evil because of his past, people know what he is capable of.

  • PuffNProud

    Sometimes a known enemy is preferred to an unknown one. Whereas Snape would likely not attack the teachers, I think the Carrows of Headmaster(s) wouldn’t hesitate to physically punish the teachers. That would make for sheer chaos. I also agree the teachers stayed on to protect the students and likely also to keep an eye on Snape.

  • ThatTimeRemusWaddiwasiedVoldy

    I don’t think there was ever a question in any of the teachers minds about staying. They most definitely would have made protecting the students a priority. I think that McGonagall in particular would have been telling the students the same thing she told Harry in OotP- keep your head down, your mouth shut, don’t give them a reason to come after you. I bet she hauled Ginny and Neville into her office multiple times to tell them that as noble as their intentions are, it’s quite stupid of them to continue. I think she would have been quite adamant in being honest with the students about the seriousness of the situation, as would all the other teachers. I can see them all using class time to prepare and inform students of what is going on in the wizarding world, though in subtle ways that wouldn’t be seen as outright provoking rebellion.

    I don’t think it would have been at all like with Umbridge, where the teachers took part in mischief by pretending to be incapable of dealing with the student’s rebellion or by encouraging Peeves. This is a much more serious situation. I think they would have done there best to handle any rule breaking themselves and cover for the students as much as possible.

    I can see them being in close contact with the prefects, except maybe Slytherin House’s, as far as keeping tabs on everyone and getting them to be pretty strict about keeping their classmates from doing anything that would endanger themselves.

    As far as their reactions to Snape, I think they would be downright cold towards him on a daily basis. If he came into the staff room while they were there, they would all leave, or not say a word till he left, that sort of thing. I’m sure Minerva wouldn’t hesitate from a subtle dig at him now and then, just to remind him that she knows what he did, that he betrayed her trust, that she sees him as complete scum now. They would comply with Snape’s running of the school, so far as avoiding getting sacked, but would certainly make sure he knew how they really felt about it.

    Madam Pomfrey in particular was probably beside herself with worry and resentment, given that she had to see to the all the students who suffered the Crucuatus curse and whatever other horrible punishments.

    • Yo Rufus On Fire

      Okay, yes this situation is definitely different from Umbridge, but we do see later in the book that McGonagall is very sassy to one of the Carrows because they are trying failing to get into the Ravenclaw common room. So I think the teachers give a few jabs here and there.

  • I don’t think The Heads of House accepted Snape and the Death Eaters at hogwarts, but they were willing to stay at the school to make sure none of the students are being abused or being subjegated to practice the darks arts against their will. The Carrows are in charge of punishments throughout the school and the other teachers won’t send the students to them no matter the trouble the students are causing. I also think Snape had talked with the Dark Lord about staying at hogwarts to make sure the Death Eaters stayed in charge so the remaining Order members at the school weren’t trying to resist the Death Eaters.

  • DisKid

    Oh I don’t think they were too happy at all. I think they stayed at the school, not only to protect the students, but to keep tabs on the death eaters. Not to mention Snape as well. Like working as spies. As to what they are doing to protect their students; many things I’m sure. One idea I had would be giving them detentions that aren’t really “detentions”. Instead it’s a safe-haven where they’re hoping students will talk to them and get a break from being pushed around in class. Maybe even giving students advice on how to survive Hogwarts in the state it is in.

  • BadgermoleButterbeer

    As to what the teachers are doing to help the students:

    I think a lot of what Profs. McGonagall, Flitwick, Sprout, and Slughorn (let’s not leave him out of this) did was subtle and quiet. Let’s take an example from Order of the Phoenix.

    As much as McGonagall was willing to go toe-to-toe with Umbridge before she was made “High Inquisitor”, Prof. M didn’t do much after. She couldn’t interfere with Umbridge’s teaching methods or punishments. But she still managed to do her job to the best of her completely bad ass ability. McGonagall still taught her classes and advised her students. She was there for the Gryffindors, like the Weasleys, when a family member was ill and needed to be comforted or ferried to St. Mungo’s. She cared for each of her students with diligence.

    I totally believe that each of the heads-of-house helped their students survive each day the best way they could: by teaching them. Sprout would have taught the students (and probably given them homework too) about plants with healing abilities as well as for defensive uses. Flitwick would have taught the “episkey” charm to students as well as charms that would have been a bright spot in their day. I believe that all of the heads made sure to quietly get students the help they required. Medical attention. Food. Draughts of potions to help with sleep or perhaps even nightmares.

  • FeatherSickle7662

    I think the other Professors reacted like anyone would react I’m sure. They were probably very angry and determined to make sure that when the time comes that they would fight. You see how well they organize and band together when the Trio show up at Hogwarts before the Battle. I think the professors took measures to protect the children. Little things like not sending them to detention since the Carros were in charge of punishment, perhaps putting protection spells on the students themselves without their knowledge. I believe they had secret meetings and made plans to up rise at the right time. If the DA regrouped and did it, the professors could do it. I think that Snape was placed in the HM position, with no transition. Voldemort wasn’t going to waste any time taking control of Hogwarts. He wanted to contaminate the minds of the kids as soon as possible, take control of Hogwarts and basically take control of the Heart of the Wizarding World. The take over of the Ministry really was just a tool to turn everyone against Harry and kill all the Muggleborns.

  • Dumbledore’s through & through

    How were people like McGonagall even able to stay as teacher? She is known for being so close to Dumbledore and loyal and also close to Harry, and the Death Eaters must know or at least suspect that she’s in the Order. Why keep her at school, and even in the position of Head of Griffindor? Were they so worried about keeping up the fassade and keeping everyone uncertian if Voldemort was behind this that they didn’t dare to send all old teachers away? Because it’s still a risk to keep people like McGonagall and Flitwick and Sprout and even Trelawny. They might “only” protect the students, but they could easily also encourage them to resits, spread secret information about the Order and what Voldemort is up to right now, help the DA to aviod punishment or get into hiding, even plan attacks on Snape… all things to destabilitize Voldemort’s reign. It’s really stupid to allow them to stay. And in the end it’s Voldemort’s bad and Harry’s luck that they are still there, providing information and help in searching for Ravenclaw’s diadem and defending the castle. If Voldemort got rid of all old teachers, what chance would Harry have had to survive only a few hours inside the castle’s walls?

    • RoseLumos

      Good point. I assume Snape (who I think is really trying to protect everyone) had a big part in it. I’m thinking that since the Ministry take over was so quite and smooth he would convince Voldemort to do something similar to Hogwarts. If they fired all the teachers it might be too suspicious. Also, no one can deny that McGonagall, Flitwick, and Sprout are all great wizards/witches and teachers. If Voldemort does want to use Hogwarts as a training camp for future Death Eaters, at least under the old teachers the students would know what they are doing. I do feel bad for the OWL/NEWT students this year – I bet exams aren’t anyone’s priority.

  • texaskid

    What I found a little odd/surprising is no one brought up the fact here or on the podcast (I am a bit late listening to it) that McGonagall, Slughorn, Promfrey, Flitwick, and even Hagrid have known Snape since he was 11 years old.

    McG in book five said that she’d been teach at Hogwarts for 30 some years which means that she’s been there since the early 60’s at least.

    Slughorn admits in books six that he would have loved to have the pair of Blacks (meaning both Sirius and Regulus) and since he taught them even if they weren’t both in his house he would have had to been teaching when the Marauders and Snape were at Hogwarts,

    Flitwick as we see in Snape’s worst memory was administering the Charms theory OWLS which means that he too had to have known Snape since at least 76.

    Pomfrey was mentioned leading Lupin out to the Willow when he tells Harry about his transformations at hogwarts and Hagrid says that after he was expelled in his third year Dumbledore gave him a job which was in the 50’s.

    This could explain the comraderie and at least a little bit of respect that these five teachers at least have for him and why they find it hard to believe that Snape killed Dumbledore. If you had known this guy for close to 30 years wouldn’t you find it hard to believe that he killed someone like DD after DD put his trust in Snape?